Kathleen Sebelius and the Fight Over Who's Truly Catholic
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GOD not You
Hi SoMG of NY
When I told my wife years ago about argument's like yours, she as a mom of many found it hard to believe that women could be so COLD to Kill even the healthy UnBorn as if they were a bunch of cancer cells.
She hadn't read the bible or history like I have and couldn't understand humanity and it's never ending struggle to return to ape-hood.
Some women want to have this right till just before birth at 36 or 40 weeks. You are probably one of them.
Yes it is a SIN, and I do understand that people like you exist.
Yours in GOD
Thanks, A Great Dialog,
Hi All, AndieLee, , ,
A Great dialog. I won't be here again yet wish you all well in your fight and with your Christian/Human education.
Some tit on tat comments
"Need a cause? Start by cleaning up the cesspool the Catholic Church has become - becuase if you support any authority as divinely inspired that turns a blind eye to pedophilia then you too have some serious moral compass issues and perhaps should not be sitting in judgment"
This was and will be a future problem. I heard it all personally in the Boston area and went to the early VOTF meetings. Although horrible and hard to take this episode should not stop Catholics or religious people from stopping or negating the SINS of the world.
SIN itself is an important concept that should not be diminished or changed into political correctness.
Was what the leadership did a SIN? Yes a Mortal Sin
(I know some might disagree, yet one has to look from GOD's perspective and the trust given to his leadership core)
Is willy nilly Abortion a SIN? Yes it is Killing
(And Sebelius's argument is a facade. She should still do all the things in KS she promotes yet must also use SIN.)
"Sebelis, Sen.Casey-PA, Nancy Pelosi, VP Joe Biden, The Kennedy's and other secular cafeteria Catholics are walking the wide road to eternal damnation. Read Luke 13:22-30 and Matthew 7:12-23"
Wow Good Stuff, I won't read your references or give you mine, yet from reading and analyzing the entire bible I will tell you, you are 100% correct. Jesus and even Buddha talked about the knot hole or the keyhole for how to get to heaven. In other words it is hard work with The Wide road being that travelled by most people. Also he said the rich and famous might get their rewards in this world yet not the next.
There are many problems with the Catholic faith one being how it is taught, and refreshed, and the lack of great bible based training. The bible can become alive in any age and retrain the new for current life challenges.
Yours in GOD,
The answer
The important fact about the fetus is not what it is, but WHERE it is.
I say if something is inside my body I'm entitled to kill it no matter what it is. If all the human beings alive today--innocent and guilty, unborn and already-born, great and small, rich and poor, smart and stupid, religious and faithless--were assembled somewhere inside my body, along with Almighty God, Baby Jesus, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then I'd be entitled to holocaust 'em, any time, for any reason or for no reason.
That's part of the meaning of the word "my" in the phrase "my body".
No room for compromise?
"For them, it's a matter of right or wrong, with no room for compromise."
I don't know that it must be either or. Most pro-lifers believe that life begins at conception (for which there are strong scientific arguments by thee way) and thus will always see abortion as wrong. But at the same time, many are happy to see small steps away from a pro-abortion stance. For example, I am strongly in favor of laws which require information to be given. This is a good compromise.
I see a much narrower mindset on the other side. Most who would label themselves as pro-choice seem to oppose allowing women access to the information they need to make that choice. If a woman in a difficult situation needs to make a difficult choice, why do they oppose her having all the facts? Yet in situations where laws are brought forth that require that woman seeking abortion are simply and straightforwardly given the facts, the pro-choice groups are dead set against it.
If it is compromise we are seeking, perhaps it is not those on the pro-life side we should be talking to.
Sebelius and Who is a Catholic
This blog repeats the false notion that the substance of the Catholic faith is determined by a poll. It is in fact determined by the Gospel and the Tradition of the Church as expressed in doctrinal statements, conciliar decrees, etc. It's funny to hear serious sounding media tack to such false assertions.
What is truly significant about President Obama's Catholic choices is that none of them affirm the Church's pro-life view. (So much for open-mindedness.) These public Catholics, like Pelosi, Biden, and Sebelius, wear their ashes on their foreheads for the cameras but not the faith in their hearts. Not only do they disdain the beliefs of the Church in which they claim membership, they demonstrate a notable lack of courage in standing up for Catholic truths within their Party.
No, these public Catholics have more in common with the Vichy French who sided with the Nazis in WW II against the Free French who stood for the national integrity of France.
Deborah Solomon regarding the issue of life
There are many people such as myself that believe life begins at conception, and that God is the ultimate giver of life. Human beings are created in His image according to the Bible. That is why there are many people who seek to inspire a respect for "God given human life." I was blocked before the elections from speaking about a successful program that the Catholic Charities, Youth Front, and other church organizations hosted regarding aids and self respect. It was a tremendous program with a woman telling the young people how she got aids from the first sexual partner she ever had. She held up a cup full of medicine to show the young people what she takes every day to stay alive. She also introduced her husband. He was a 27 year old virgin when they met and married. She talked about what a man of integrity he was. The program was very inspiring to the young people. I sincerely believe if they could get these types of programs repeatedly in the schools they could really help change the culture of the nation. When the prisons are overflowing in every state politics as usual will not suffice. There is a healthy side to what we call the "shame factor." May God continue to give wisdom to help inspire a respect for God given human life and "Turn the Tide" for the next generation!
I think I'll just question whether
Rudy Giuliani is "really" Catholic. Do affairs count? Is John McCain "really" a Baptist? Does beer dealing count?
Truth be known, about half of Catholics DO NOT recognize either the authority or the wisdom of the Pope and the Cardinals. You know what? THAT IS THEIR RIGHT--CHURCH TEACHING NOTWITHSTANDING.
Isn't that HER business?
Little concerned that so many people think they have a say in how Ms. Sebelius worships. Not the America most of us believe in and a very slippery slope. In THIS country (so far) YOU can believe whatever you want, but have no right to impose that belief on anyone else. You can even believe Ms. Sebelius is going to hell - but frankly that is none of your business either - keep it to yourself. Need a cause? Start by cleaning up the cesspool the Catholic Church has become - becuase if you support any authority as divinely inspired that turns a blind eye to pedophilia then you too have some serious moral compass issues and perhaps should not be sitting in judgment. Once they clean up their act, perhaps they will have more credibility.
pvs
Michael:
Quote after quote from the same people that looked the other way while priests raped little boys. Does your version of the Bible cover that? Or does it just deal with 'preborn' issues?
There are living, breathing human beings that could use some of energy you folks have to help them out, too.
Sebelis is a Liar!
Take our seat CCD class has begun! Jimbo in Madison listen up, wipe your bible off.
Archbishop Burke stated that those Catholic politicians that support abortion are liars! If Roman Catholics don't follow the theological teachings of the Vicar of Christ you are living in Mortal Sin! Our mortal life is fleeting in comparison to eternity with Our Heavenly Father.
John Paul II (The Great)stated: "the condemnation of God by man is not based on the truth, but on the ARROGANCE, on an underhanded conspiracy....for example, laws are regularly passed condemning to death a person not yet born?"
John Paul II stated, "It is not possible to speak of the right to choose when a Clear Moral Evil is involved, when what is at stake is the commandment DO NOT KILL!
Pope Benedict XVI warned of the threat relative secularism in our society.
Read "Evangelium Vitae" on newadvent.org.
Sebelis, Sen.Casey-PA, Nancy Pelosi, VP Joe Biden, The Kennedy's and other secular cafeteria Catholics are walking the wide road to eternal damnation. Read Luke 13:22-30 and Matthew 7:12-23.
Class dismissed, "God Bless You All!"
