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Round Up Hate-Promoters Now, Before Any More Holocaust Museum Attacks

June 11, 2009 04:22 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link | Print

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One man's "hate speech" is another man's attempt at insight

Jon Rauch said it best in a Harper's Magazine piece about ten years ago. there is no getting rid of hate speech,and there is no way to tell whether someone is motivated by "hatred" or simply is not thinking clearly.(This article "In Dense of Incendiary Speech" can be found on line.) If someone says Negroes smell different, we don't know if he's motivated by hatred or simply trying to tell the truth as he sees it. We have to protect people's attempts to speak.We have to protect their clumsy attempts to think f9or themselves. Error, published, leads to truth. We answer errors and ridicule stupidity, but we do not "round up" people ahead of time. Gawd, Ms. Erbe, you sound like you belong in a totalitarian state. That's where people who are "hateful" about the state are rounded up ahead of time. Of course they don't have journalists in such places--so that's why you re staying here, I guess.I guess when you are talking about rounding people up, you are thinking of yourself as in charge of the roundup, not the victim of it. Failure of imagination, Babe Erbe.

Do You Think Before You Write

James Taranto says it best:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB124511771177917603.html

Natural Manure Indeed

Scratch a liberal elitist, find a Nazi.

Thomas Jefferson called to say you're not authorized to use his name in any fashion.

Ignorant

Preposterous. No matter how terrible these actions are, you can never stop hate speech, or hate in general, no matter how many fluffy thoughts you think. These sorts of things always SOUND good, but never work in practice. That is, they sound good until someone starts labeling YOUR speech hate and locks you up. Not only is your article an emotional tirade without logic, it is unconstitutional. I think the writer should be locked up for 'hate speech' against the constitution. Subversion and whatnot. ;)

no hate crime law

isn't every murder a hate crime? who kills with love in their heart? whether i kill you bc you are jewish or bc you stole my wife, it is irrelevant. you are dead. there is no need for hate crime laws bc the laws already on the books cover assualt and murder. we can't sentence people to more than one life in prison, or more than one death sentence. it scares me that there are people in this country who read your trash and agree with it.

Are you going to round up promoters of the Qur'an?

"Isn't it time we started rounding up promoters of hate before they kill?"

Are you going to round up anyone who promotes the Qur'an. It's an antisemetic tract that puts the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to shame. Furthermore, it advocates the murder of those whose religions are not based on monotheism, and the subjection of all peoples to Muslim hegemony.

If you are claiming the Qur'an is the infallible word of Allah then you are spreading hate speech and advocating murder and enslavement.

Of course if you own a Qur'an as a work of fiction and claim that Mohammed is just another vicious war lord with delusions of grandure then there isn't a problem with teaching it's overridingly violent tenets as something to be avoided.

Lets Round Up everyone Oposing the Jewish Agenda

...and send them to Fema Concentration camps, vaccinate them to dumb them down, give there children ritalin and drugs, and control them with Codex Alimenterus.

What happens when someone in power wants to censor Erbe?

Bonnie, although I agree with you from time to time, you are dead-off on this one.

While many of your readers (and others) do not understand that the First Amendment was intended to prevent the government(s) from censoring free speech and free press, and that there have been, from time to time, limitations on free speech and free press, the problem is not that these children of scorn (Terry, Robert Fisk, Chomsky, Johns, the Rev Wright, and others) need to be bound and gagged for their gratuitous hateful speech, and Sharpton at Freddy's in New York needed to be slapped upside the head, having government censors is not a reasonable solution.

Read the horror stories at Freedom House and other places before you give carte blanche to an Attorney General who closes cases on the New Black Panthers, newspapers who while losing circulation (and money) who continue to print Fisk and others, or taxpayer-assisted agencies like the UN who give a forum to haters like Ahmedijian (or political parties who pay operatives like South Carolina's resident dolt Rusty DePass.

Britain stated a pathetic lawsuit for Holocaust Denier Irving, remember.

Mayhaps the answer is if the press and its sisters, the electronic media, were to use discerning and intelligent folks to disassemble these animals publicly with sense and logic and not strident moaning and groaning, we would be better off.

But the idea that Eric Holder would ever have control over what anyone says is ... nauseating.

Who gets to decide what is hate speech? Bonnie?

Ms. Erbe is clearly a kook and someone who doesn’t have even a rudimentary grasp of the First Amendment but she and others like her are increasingly being provided with a forum to spew this garbage. Reading this, one has to wonder who gets to decide what speech is hate speech. Bonnie Erbe?

http://thesidos.blogspot.com/2009/06/whos-that-knocking-on-your-door.html

hard to figure out if it is more silly than scary...

Sure, let's round up all the people who promoted hatred.

Let's start with all the people who shouted "bush lied." Next anyone who says we tortured AQ prisoners of war. Next anyone repeating the blatant falsehoods of the Lancet studies. Next anyone who called our troops or our president nazis. Next anyone who has demonized Karl Rove. Next anyone who claims that the administration outted Valarie Plame. Next Joe Wilson who actually lied about the evidence he did find. Next anyone who said that our soldiers are uneducated and stuck in iraq, including John Kerry.

Well, you get the idea.

Or we might say, even as we disagree with the conduct I just described that it is their God-given right to engage in it. And maybe Bonnie needs to go back to elementary civics class and review the part about the value of free speech--even very hateful speech.

It is stunning that anyone would suggest a concept so fundamentally dangerous to our freedoms, and i only thank god that no one would take her seriously.

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About Bonnie Erbe

Bonnie Erbe is a contributing editor at U.S. News & World Report and hosts PBS's weekly news analysis program, To the Contrary with Bonnie Erbe. She also writes a weekly syndicated newspaper column for Scripps Howard News Service.

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