Friday, November 27, 2009

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Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings

'Wall Street Journal' Joins the Law Debate

July 24, 2008 01:46 PM ET | Robert Morse | Permanent Link | Print

Reader Comments

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Nothing interesting, buy thank you. azvpo124

Prospective Student's Thoughts

As a prospective student I have to disagree that the rankings do not have a negative impact on education and the admissions process. Although, I think that what the dean believes is a negative impact and what the reality is are two different things.

First I would like to say that I'm a non-traditional student. I have spend 10 years in the military as and officer.So more than any brand new undergrad applying I understand why there are ranking and why there is numeric data to compare entities. I also understand that a lot of the comparative information is subjective and you can make nmumbers say anything you want them to. So I do not fault law school deans, or US News for their support of lack thereof for the rankings system.

Secondly, as a minortiy applicant this is where I feel the negative impact is the highest. There are a few very popular websites out there where prospective student can post their LSAT, GPA, Undergrad, Extra-curricular status and much more. They can also say which schools they've appplied to and been accepted or rejected. In almost every instance whenver a minority candidate (known as a URM) post LSAT/GPA number below the school posted medians (according to reports like US News) they are harassed and belittled with comments on line about how they're not good enough to be in a T14 or a Tier 1 school. And if that applicant is accepted there are comments about how the post must be fake (or flame).

This information is disheartening. When you have the law schools saying these reports and those numbers aren't the only important factors the fact remains that at some point in time all of these students are going to come together on the first day of class. And when a candidata at a US News' T14 think that he/she got in because of a 180L LSAT and 4.0 that person also feels like it's okay to assume that only people with the same numbers should get in.

The point is that these numbers are not 100% reality. But you can't explain that to a student who doesn't know anything other that what US News tells them. You can't tell them that there are actually students at Yale and Harvard that scored below the 99th percentile. They don't want to hear that law schools are looking at the whole person. And this is what creates the negative learning environment. This is what causes the ranking to affect potentially good law school students from applying to good law schools. These rankings (along with those who place too much empahsis on them) will inevitable steer many away.

Why not offer the information in it's entirety? Put out there the lowest LSAT score of a student accepted. So people can know the truth. Either the school cares only about scores or they actually look past the numbers and admit qualified candidates based on something more. Let prospective students see more than medians. Remove the deception behind the rankings and maybe you will remove the negativity associated with them.

US News is not to blame

US News is not responsible for the catering of law schools to rankings as the above commenter implies. If the US News stopped ranking schools, another source would quickly become the new definitive ranking. The demand by future students for more information about schools is to great to go unmet. Making it sound like the US News is somehow unethical for compiling and interpreting data is absurd.

"The U.S. News rankings also do not, as the dean implies, have a negative impact on legal education and law school admissions. "

Thats not for you to decide. You aren't part of the process. You don't know.

Rankings and Legal Education

U.S. News should stop ranking law schools when law schools stop using class rank in their admissions decisions and law firms stop using class rank in their hiring decisions.

And if one's hopes are disappointed...?

You write: "One hopes that the proper education of potential lawyers is the driving force in such decisions." When you have such overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary, aren't you cheating by trying to treat this as a problem that you aren't responsible for?

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About this Blog

Robert Morse is director of data research for U.S. News & World Report and has worked at the magazine since 1976. He develops the methodologies and surveys for the America's Best Colleges and America's Best Graduate Schools annual rankings, keeping an eye on higher-education trends to make sure the rankings offer prospective students the best analysis available. Morse Code provides deeper insights into the methodologies and is a forum for commentary and analysis of college, grad and other rankings.

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