Obama and Clinton Big Government Economic Plans Need Debate
"It's the economy, stupid." Those immortal words of the political philosopher James Carville in 1992 have been reverberating increasingly in the 2008 campaign. Polls show the economy as the top issue for voters, far ahead of Iraq. The general assumption is that this helps the Democrats, since the Republicans hold the White House and economic growth has stalled on their watch. But what do voters want done about the economy? And how amenable are they to the big-government programs Democrats are proposing?
On fiscal policy, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton want higher taxes, at least on high earners. They want to let at least some of the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010, as scheduled. On trade, they oppose new free-trade agreements and want to renegotiate nafta with Canada and Mexico. As it happens, another president embraced such policies in a time of economic slowdown and financial market turbulence: Herbert Hoover raised taxes on high earners sharply and, ignoring a letter signed by 1,000 economists, signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff in 1930. The results were not pretty. Until now, his example has not commended itself to Democrats. One wonders whether voters will agree that tax increases will stimulate the economy.
Obama and Clinton are also proposing a traditional Democratic remedy for recession—more spending and new federal programs. And on the broader question of expanding government, Pew Research Center polls show an increasingly more favorable opinion climate, particularly on healthcare, than when we elected our last two presidents, in 1992 and 2000. One reason is generational change. Almost all voters in 1992 and a large majority in 2000 had vivid memories of the 1970s, when we had both economic stagnation and double-digit inflation—stagflation—and thanks to government price controls, motorists had to wait an hour in line to fill up their gas tanks. Those experiences put the advocates of bigger government on the defensive.
This year, half the voters are too young to have been behind the wheel in a gas line or to have been paying rapidly rising monthly bills with a paycheck eroded by inflation. They have lived all their adult lives—all their lives, in the case of the millennial generation, born since 1980—in an era when we have had low-inflation economic growth 95 percent of the time. In their recent book Millennial Makeover, Morley Winograd and Michael Hais write that these millennials have high trust in the federal government. Have Uncle Sam pay for healthcare? Hey, that's like, neat.
Options. But they also say that millennials favor systems that give them lots of choices. They want to mouse-click on the option they prefer. This, of course, is in conflict or at least tension with systems in which government makes choices for you. If young voters' positive disposition to government programs gives Democrats an opening, their preference for choices gives Republicans one, too. As it happens, we have a recent example, the Medicare prescription drug program passed in 2003. Democrats wanted government to negotiate prices and thought that seniors would hate to choose between plans. But even the elderly, who grew up in an America where big institutions—the U.S. military, big corporations, giant labor unions—made choices for them, turned out to be satisfied with the choices they had under Medicare Part D. You haven't heard the Democratic presidential candidates campaigning much against it this cycle.
My sense is that voter preferences on issues like the economy and healthcare will depend on discussion and debate that haven't taken place yet. Voters have been concentrating on the curriculum vitae and character of the candidates, and the candidates themselves have made little in the way of argument for their positions. It's not immediately obvious what fiscal policy or healthcare policies voters want. It's less "the economy, stupid" than "the economy, huh?"
Tags: economy | federal taxes | presidential election 2008 | recession | trade | Barack Obama | Hillary Clinton | fiscal policy
Tools:
Share
|
| Comments (11)
Reader Comments
big govt.
it makes sense to me. i go to college w/ plenty of millennial types. they want everything handed to them as a "right", yet demand the freedom to choose the particulars. when i inform them that healthcare will never be free, and countries like canada take a 1/3 of everything you make & sink it into a flailing national healthcare system, the look in their eye tends to change.
my fear is that they'll have to make the mistake of electing a big govt. type, like obama, to better understand the nature of a centralized beauracratic government.
unfortunately, the rest of us will have to suffer thru it with them.
Big government won't help solve economic problems, and a larger healthcare system will probably make it worse. I am a young college student, and i try to stay aware, but unfortunately many other students I know would vote for how things sound, instead of how they really are. Healthcare for everyone sure does sound good--but whose paying for it? And why should Americans be forced to become so dependant on such a system, when many really aren't struggling that much. Of course many democrates would be horrified by such a statement, but believe it or not, Americans do NOT have it that hard. Our economy is a problem, but it's one I think we as a people are going to have to sacrifice--has horrid as the word is to most--in order to improve. As crazy as it sounds, Americans can live in smaller houses with less cars and less furniture. Taxes may be our option, but there's also nothing wrong with keeping doors open. And, there's definitely nothing wrong with choosing a candidate who will listen to other options besides their own......not that I know of any.
Yet another 20-something speaks
So maybe my experiences aren't typical of a woman born in late 1983, and I am a perpetually poor graduate student so my views of "necessities" are not mainstream. I grew up in the military, I've done the government funded healthcare thing and I never want to go back. Hours spent waiting....and waiting.....and waiting....and waiting....you'd die of the common cold in the waiting room. Broke a finger and had to wait and wait and wait. The least amount of time spent waiting was when i split open a lip after I fell off my bike, and even then I'm pretty sure it was a few hours. that being said, I don't trust the government to do anything.
Big Government
The liberals have you believe that the government can do everything for you at no cost. Bull! If you had to wait in line at a private hospital or doctor's office, you would find a new one. If the government is in charge, you have no option, and the government has no incentive to improve service.
Liberals also want to implement Depression-causing trade policies that history has shown is a HUGE mistake. I thought they wanted us to have better world relations. How is that possible when you have telling Canada, Mexico, Columbia, and other free countries that the U.S. likes them as long as they don't do business with us?
The liberal news media is just like the Democrats. They play on people's emotions, rather than portraying the realities of these dangerous policies.
Open Letter to Mr. Barone
Conservative Snobs are the ones out of touch.
I decided to respond to your “liberal snobbery” article in U.S. news because of the petulant tone you presented in rehashing a stale 40 year old argument about so called “liberal elites”. Your article on the new political book “The Millennials ” is a perfect example of the condescending tone taken by Conservative elites that are still stuck in 1968 fighting phantom battles against the Weather Underground, the New Left, and bad old 60’s militants.
Your U.S. News blog article: “Uncle Sam Pays? Sure, Whatever” drips with arrogance. Young people today just don’t know how good they have got it do they. They don’t remember gas lines and have experienced inflation free economic growth 95% of the time. I was born in 1965, so I do remember the 1970’s. I suppose two oil embargos that both quadrupled the price of oil overnight in 1973 & 1979 & Nixon’s wage & price controls before the 1972 election had nothing to do with inflation and price shocks. It must have been that nasty old New Deal.
I guess the explosion in College tuition and student loan debt since the 90’s isn’t really inflation. Using the inflation calculator from http://inflationdata.com gives me an inflation multiplier of 110.66% since my freshman fall semester in 1983 at Texas A&M University. My dorm, meal plan and tuition/fees for 17 hrs as an Engineering student totaled $2422 in 2008 dollars. Today the same dorm, meal plan & 17 hours is $6404. That’s an increase above inflation of only 264%, but what do I know. It had nothing to do with Republican governor Rick Perry & the Republican legislature deregulating tuition and starving schools of funding and shifting the costs to student’s and their families, but hey, Governor Perry wears an American Flag lapel pin.
I graduated in 1988 with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and zero debt. I did not like my first job so I went back to grad school and survived on a $1440/month research stipend in 2008 dollars for four semesters. Engineering, a regimen based on hard science isn’t nearly as challenging as being a right wing Fox News fantasy pundit that can spot liberal snobbery in Obama’s “Bitter” remarks however.
When I started work at a NASA contractor at the Johnson Space Center (JSC) after getting my M.S. in mechanical engineering in 1990, my company offered a defined benefit pension, fee for service health care with no employee payment required, a 3% of salary cash bonus paid to a 5 year vested savings plan & a 401K with a 4% match. Now 18 years later my salary has outstripped inflation. However, compared to the period of 1948 to 1973 where income of all Americans doubled (100%) in real terms, mine has only loped in at 50% or so despite high education, a good work ethic & no current outsourcing of the Space Program, but I’m not bitter. Did you know Fox News reported that Osama, oh, I mean Obama went to a Madrassa?
My benefits however have eroded. I now pay $50.00/month toward the premium on a “high deductible” heath care plan ($2500) and I have an HSA that pays 0.25% interest so I can make up the difference. The other kicker, our insurance company routinely rejects claims on a flimsy basis in the hopes that people will give up trying to obtain their benefit. My CEO told me that this increased my health care “choices”. I guess that’s true if the choice is Hobson’s. Under the old plan I could get an antibiotic prescription and a Physician Visit for a co-pay of $10.00. Now I can get the same for $350.00: same doctor, same clinic, increased choices in my health care plan. I am not bitter, however, just pissed-off. I have chosen to get sick less.
My defined benefit pension is gone along with the 5 year vested savings plan. We still have the 401K, but with only 3% matching, but the market has been wonderful lately due to the wonders of deregulation causing a credit crises, but hey we don’t need government regulation, just think of those gas lines. My coworker who postponed his retirement because of a 20% dip in his 401K over the last three months isn’t bitter either. He should have known better. Maybe he will get bailed out like Bear-Stearns.
I think young people are on to something with health care. Maybe a single payer system would work. We already have one for old people called Medicare. My 96 year old grandmother has spent the last 31 years of economic nirvana on Medicare that as you say is based on “Have Uncle Sam pay for healthcare? Hey, that's like, neat.” It is neat. She is healthy and spirited. Without Medicare medical bills would have bankrupted her years ago. She now would be living with one of her daughters in humiliation. Private insurance doesn’t offer a lot of affordable policies to senior citizens for some reason. Must be that market magic showing that old people get sick and are unprofitable. Of course this would never work for everyone else. Instead, we can all have high deductible plans with low wait times earned by kicking 45 million Americans out of line by lack of heath insurance. “Hey, that’s like, neat”.
But hey did you know that Obama’s Pastor is a black radical, but I suppose that Obama chose his Pastor. George W. Bush chose to speak at Bob Jones University where whites could not date blacks. John McCain chose not to support a MLK holiday in Arizona. Ronald Reagan chose to not support the Civil Rights acts of the 60’s, but hey the 60’s were a long time ago.
A long time ago in the 60’s is a problem that I think you share with many others on the Right. You are stuck in 1968. John McCain & Hillary Clinton are stuck in 1968 also. You are projecting your stale baby boomer battles on the problems and hopes of a 21st century world. Americans by huge margins are unhappy with the country’s direction. And since Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980 we have been living under a Conservative ascendancy. Cut taxes on rich people, deregulate, smash unions, outsource to China, but not Cuba (because Cuba is oppressive and China is not). That market will make China Democratic any day now, just ask those Tibet people.
Unfortunately for the Right, Movement Conservative ideology is in the same place as Liberalism was in 1980. The American People don’t like the economy, foreign policy & the country’s drift and the policies that have brought us to this point are Conservative. Hence it will not be long before you will be trying to explain how Obama got elected despite the fact that he was planting pipe bombs with the Weather Underground when he was 8 years old, or mimicking the black power salute from the 1968 Olympics in Church with Reverend Wright. You will wonder why Republican identification has collapsed among Americans under 30 or why the GOP is a regional party of the conservative white south.
I will give you a clue.
Thirty years of Republican economics has created a Global Gilded Age where fickle markets subject non-elite Americans to a drastic risk of income fluctuation while removing benefits like heath insurance, pensions & job security. I saw a tee-shirt recently that said; “Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway”. It struck me as funny initially until I thought of a rephrasing that captures Movement Conservative ideology perfectly; “Work Hard, Be Productive, Get Laid Off Anyway”. The broad based middle class country that you grew up in was not an accident. It was created by the New Deal. Movement Conservative ideology is incapable of such an achievement, instead it has created a plutocracy. The American People have figured this out and hence your party is doomed. Enjoy the political wilderness. "Its like neat".
Open Letter to Mr. Barone
Conservative Snobs are the ones out of touch.
I decided to respond to your “liberal snobbery” article in U.S. news because of the petulant tone you presented in rehashing a stale 40 year old argument about so called “liberal elites”. Your article on the new political book “The Millennials ” is a perfect example of the condescending tone taken by Conservative elites that are still stuck in 1968 fighting phantom battles against the Weather Underground, the New Left, and bad old 60’s militants.
Your U.S. News blog article: “Uncle Sam Pays? Sure, Whatever” drips with arrogance. Young people today just don’t know how good they have got it do they. They don’t remember gas lines and have experienced inflation free economic growth 95% of the time. I was born in 1965, so I do remember the 1970’s. I suppose two oil embargos that both quadrupled the price of oil overnight in 1973 & 1979 & Nixon’s wage & price controls before the 1972 election had nothing to do with inflation and price shocks. It must have been that nasty old New Deal.
I guess the explosion in College tuition and student loan debt since the 90’s isn’t really inflation. Using the inflation calculator from http://inflationdata.com gives me an inflation multiplier of 110.66% since my freshman fall semester in 1983 at Texas A&M University. My dorm, meal plan and tuition/fees for 17 hrs as an Engineering student totaled $2422 in 2008 dollars. Today the same dorm, meal plan & 17 hours is $6404. That’s an increase above inflation of only 264%, but what do I know. It had nothing to do with Republican governor Rick Perry & the Republican legislature deregulating tuition and starving schools of funding and shifting the costs to student’s and their families, but hey, Governor Perry wears an American Flag lapel pin.
I graduated in 1988 with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and zero debt. I did not like my first job so I went back to grad school and survived on a $1440/month research stipend in 2008 dollars for four semesters. Engineering, a regimen based on hard science isn’t nearly as challenging as being a right wing Fox News fantasy pundit that can spot liberal snobbery in Obama’s “Bitter” remarks however.
When I started work at a NASA contractor at the Johnson Space Center (JSC) after getting my M.S. in mechanical engineering in 1990, my company offered a defined benefit pension, fee for service health care with no employee payment required, a 3% of salary cash bonus paid to a 5 year vested savings plan & a 401K with a 4% match. Now 18 years later my salary has outstripped inflation. However, compared to the period of 1948 to 1973 where income of all Americans doubled (100%) in real terms, mine has only loped in at 50% or so despite high education, a good work ethic & no current outsourcing of the Space Program, but I’m not bitter. Did you know Fox News reported that Osama, oh, I mean Obama went to a Madrassa?
My benefits however have eroded. I now pay $50.00/month toward the premium on a “high deductible” heath care plan ($2500) and I have an HSA that pays 0.25% interest so I can make up the difference. The other kicker, our insurance company routinely rejects claims on a flimsy basis in the hopes that people will give up trying to obtain their benefit. My CEO told me that this increased my health care “choices”. I guess that’s true if the choice is Hobson’s. Under the old plan I could get an antibiotic prescription and a Physician Visit for a co-pay of $10.00. Now I can get the same for $350.00: same doctor, same clinic, increased choices in my health care plan. I am not bitter, however, just pissed-off. I have chosen to get sick less.
My defined benefit pension is gone along with the 5 year vested savings plan. We still have the 401K, but with only 3% matching, but the market has been wonderful lately due to the wonders of deregulation causing a credit crises, but hey we don’t need government regulation, just think of those gas lines. My coworker who postponed his retirement because of a 20% dip in his 401K over the last three months isn’t bitter either. He should have known better. Maybe he will get bailed out like Bear-Stearns.
I think young people are on to something with health care. Maybe a single payer system would work. We already have one for old people called Medicare. My 96 year old grandmother has spent the last 31 years of economic nirvana on Medicare that as you say is based on “Have Uncle Sam pay for healthcare? Hey, that's like, neat.” It is neat. She is healthy and spirited. Without Medicare medical bills would have bankrupted her years ago. She now would be living with one of her daughters in humiliation. Private insurance doesn’t offer a lot of affordable policies to senior citizens for some reason. Must be that market magic showing that old people get sick and are unprofitable. Of course this would never work for everyone else. Instead, we can all have high deductible plans with low wait times earned by kicking 45 million Americans out of line by lack of heath insurance. “Hey, that’s like, neat”.
But hey did you know that Obama’s Pastor is a black radical, but I suppose that Obama chose his Pastor. George W. Bush chose to speak at Bob Jones University where whites could not date blacks. John McCain chose not to support a MLK holiday in Arizona. Ronald Reagan chose to not support the Civil Rights acts of the 60’s, but hey the 60’s were a long time ago.
A long time ago in the 60’s is a problem that I think you share with many others on the Right. You are stuck in 1968. John McCain & Hillary Clinton are stuck in 1968 also. You are projecting your stale baby boomer battles on the problems and hopes of a 21st century world. Americans by huge margins are unhappy with the country’s direction. And since Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980 we have been living under a Conservative ascendancy. Cut taxes on rich people, deregulate, smash unions, outsource to China, but not Cuba (because Cuba is oppressive and China is not). That market will make China Democratic any day now, just ask those Tibet people.
Unfortunately for the Right, Movement Conservative ideology is in the same place as Liberalism was in 1980. The American People don’t like the economy, foreign policy & the country’s drift and the policies that have brought us to this point are Conservative. Hence it will not be long before you will be trying to explain how Obama got elected despite the fact that he was planting pipe bombs with the Weather Underground when he was 8 years old, or mimicking the black power salute from the 1968 Olympics in Church with Reverend Wright. You will wonder why Republican identification has collapsed among Americans under 30 or why the GOP is a regional party of the conservative white south.
I will give you a clue.
Thirty years of Republican economics has created a Global Gilded Age where fickle markets subject non-elite Americans to a drastic risk of income fluctuation while removing benefits like heath insurance, pensions & job security. I saw a tee-shirt recently that said; “Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway”. It struck me as funny initially until I thought of a rephrasing that captures Movement Conservative ideology perfectly; “Work Hard, Be Productive, Get Laid Off Anyway”. The broad based middle class country that you grew up in was not an accident. It was created by the New Deal. Movement Conservative ideology is incapable of such an achievement, instead it has created a plutocracy. The American People have figured this out and hence your party is doomed. Enjoy the political wilderness. "Its like neat".
Conservatism and where it got us.
I graduated from high school in '68, so I remember gas lines, stagflation, and Viet Nam. Maybe you don't remember that way back then some of us said we'd have to quit consuming so much and spending so much. We weren't all Weathermen, we weren't all wrong. I am the recipient of government healthcare and it's better than what many people have through private insurers. I don't wait in line longer than I used to when I did have private insurance. Didn't some of the problems we have then stem from another war we were involved in? Wasn't the gas crunch back then enough to convince anybody to invest in alternative energy and mass transportation systems? I think you're not old enough to be writing an opinion on this subject!
Conservatism and where it got us.
I graduated from high school in '68, so I remember gas lines, stagflation, and Viet Nam. Maybe you don't remember that way back then some of us said we'd have to quit consuming so much and spending so much. We weren't all Weathermen, we weren't all wrong. I am the recipient of government healthcare and it's better than what many people have through private insurers. I don't wait in line longer than I used to when I did have private insurance. Didn't some of the problems we have then stem from another war we were involved in? Wasn't the gas crunch back then enough to convince anybody to invest in alternative energy and mass transportation systems? I think you're not old enough to be writing an opinion on this subject!
Like Father Like Son --
Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Cheney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Cheney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.
The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.
Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.
Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.
Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.
LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming Tax Fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Oddly enough, Barack Obama, and his mentor Rev. Wright, failed to mention Planned Parenthood, an organization established by eugenicist Margaret Sanger expressly for the purpose of black genocide. The Obelus -- Kiss-A-Cuss and "GLORK" black demagoguery of Obama's Stump Lines Echo Malcolm X, foreshadows X - PATRIOT Obama (the new AGA KHAN) - the Umkhonto we Sizwe (or MK), translated "Spear of the Nation" - as the bringer of a “new politics,” rising above the old Washington ways of expediency. It's hard to think of an act more blatantly expedient than renouncing Wright when his show, once done from the press club instead of the pulpit, could no longer be "contextualized" as something whites could not understand and only Obama could explain in all its complexity. Pope Benedict XVI quoted Alexis de Tocqueville and Franklin Roosevelt on the positive role of faith in society, used the term “E Pluribus Unum” (Latin for "Out of Many, One."), and extrapolated America’s long history of interfaith cooperation efforts in his speech to America. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --
OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --
"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.
Michelle Obama should be ashamed.
"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Beneath that Darth-Vader-Mace-Windu-Jedi-Me ssiah Helmet Hairdo of Michelle Obama lurks a Wildabeast. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. The Lexis-Nexis-Albatross-Abacus-Complex of Barack and Michelle's relationship with MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and black demagoguery of Obama's Stump Lines Echo Malcolm X; is about as much of a Hoax as Oxfam volunteers believe in HIV-- AIDS Witch Doctors in Africa they feed.
"God damn America" - Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama.
"God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI and Hillary Clinton --
Michelle Obama AKA Wildabeast -- failed the Illinois Bar Exam. If Barack Obama had married Shaniqua instead of the leftist-separatist-racist-beast-'ist Michelle, his jackanapes' excitedly-fixed-elitism, Nemet-Oure-Saxas Our Father Our King -- black rage, and "GLORK" black demagoguery of Obama's Stump Lines Echo Malcolm X; would be taken a lot more expeditiously. Its expected that Obam will manage his explosive MUSLIM JIHADI -- FATIMA EXTREMISM obsession bitter. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It’s time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
THE SPEECH --
The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
MUSLIM LIES --
The ILLIGITIAMTE MUSLIM MESSIA has blundered yet again!!! The self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, lied about the politics of his campaign. The danger involved with this self-aggrandizing, -a-hoop, Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama is that -- "Like Father Like Son" X - PATRIOT Obama (the new AGA KHAN), is constantly wanting to impress America with "...his incapacity for sound judgment." In 2005, Sen. Obama voted for the Dick Cheney energy bill, which Cheney wrote in secret with the Exxon Mobil oil industry. Hillary Clinton opposed Cheney's energy bill, has a plan to eliminate oil industry tax breaks, and would require oil companies to contribute to a $50 billion strategic energy fund to jump-start research and investment in clean energy technologies. On top of the horrible crime Obama executed in Harlem, the fact is, we have to hear it from Karl Rove about Obama's latest Campaign Crisis.
"GLORK" Top Ten Obama Lies:
1. Obam said his parents met at the Selma march -- Reality: He was born 4 years before that.
2. Obam said he was a constitutional law professor -- Reality: . . . Obama Made This False Claim In His 2004 Senate Race. “Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school..
3. Obam said he spoke fluent Indonesian as a child -- Reality: . . . Obama has claimed on numerous occasions to have become fluent in Indonesian in six months. Yet another Phi Beta Krakatau lie from Obama. Those who knew him disputed that during recent interviews. Israel la Pareira Darmawan, Obama's 1st-grade teacher, said she attempted to help him learn the Indonesian language by going over pronunciation and vowel sounds. Truth-be-told: Obama's Indonesian teachers say Kaku-Pooh.
4. Obam said he was involved in community asbestos and housing project for the poor -- Reality: . . . Didn't happen. This was the basis for Barack and Michelle's claim, that he was a community activist on the South and East Side of Chicago. Usher United Arab Emirates (UAE) A+ lie both he and his twenty-four (24) mule-team, Hus-suey loving wife Michelle Obama have been claiming in the campaign -- Reality: The Chicago Newspaper's Obelus -- Kiss-A-Cuss:...NO-MAMA.
5. Obam said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white -- Reality: . . . Didn't happen. Both Magazines (Life and Ebony), and the Rev. Wright and Farrakhan MUSLIM Trumpet Newsmagazine say, just didn't happen.
6. Obam’s Campaign Didn’t Have The “Technical Capacity” To Produce The “1984” Ad:
Obama: “But it's not something that we had anything to do with or were aware of and that frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like that.” (CNN’s “Larry King Live,” 3/24/07) -- Reality:...The Creator Admitted All It Took Was A “Sunday Afternoon” On His Mac. Phillip de Vellis: “I made the ad on a Sunday afternoon in my apartment using my personal equipment (a Mac and some software), uploaded it to YouTube, and sent links around to blogs.”
7. Obam’s Campaign Claimed His High School Friend Tried To Extort Money From Them:
“According To The Obama Campaign, [Obama’s Punahou Classmate Keith] Kakugawa Explicitly Raised The Possibility That He Could Make Up False Stories About Obama, Implying He Would Do So If The Campaign Did Not Give Him Money.” (Maurice Possley, Kirsten Scharnberg and Ray Gibson, -- Reality: “...An Old Friend's Troublesome Return,” Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07).
8. Obam voted to bring low-cost foreign labor into New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina -- Reality: . . . This was a slap in the face against the African-Americans who were displaced in that city. Obama also voted to place Michael Chertoff, the man responsible for the Katrina catastrophe, in charge of Homeland Security. Obama voted for Senate-Bills that gave Blackwater the funding they needed to shoot the folks of New Orleans who were only trying to save their own lives. Inextricably, the towel head voted to allow Michael Chertoff to waive all applicable laws, including murder, torture, kidnaping, and he suppoted water-boarding.
9. Obam voted more than five times for USA-PATRIOT ACT renewal -- Reality: . . . This is a Senate-Bill patently offensive to most Americans. City after city has passed resolutions condemning USA-PATRIOT ACT. Passively or reflexively, Obama chose to side with tyranny over freedom and Bush over the folks on this issue. The Real ID Act, which would allow Michael Chertoff to declare martial law and imprison Americans, was supported by ex-patriot Obama, as noted above.
10. Obam is not a MAD MAN. Sen. Obama has not exaggerated the disconnection with . . ."The Lord God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth" --Ex. xxxiv. 6; or extolled his venomous-vexatious-Vesuvius MUSLIM madrassahs'-faux-pas on us. Sen. Obama Is not involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor, now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO); or Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley. Sen. Obama is not involved with- nor has Sen. Obama exhibited any nuclear security, bribery, money payoffs, or cronyism in the state of Illinois; or criminal activities related to the BIG HALIBURTAN and V.P. Cheney's Halliburton bribery case; or any political misjudgment in his escalating Campaign Crisis. Sen. Obama does not take money from people who hire lobbyists, partners of lobbyists, spouses of lobbyists, former lobbyists or state lobbyists. "GLORK" Sen. Obama Is not involved with any Hoax or Oxfam volunteers and HIV-- AIDS Witch Doctors in Africa they feed. Sen. Obama is not associated with Exiled "God damn America" SOULJAH JIHAD -- Rev. Jeremiah Wright, MUSLIM EXTREMIST Malcolm X KillA -- Louis Farrakhan and black-rage demagoguery; or Obama's Mea Culpa-Apologia; or Stump Lines Echo Malcolm X; Sen. Obama has not exulted the virtue of being an aggrieved black man. Sen. Obama does not accept political contributions from terrorists. Sen. Obama has not expressed the troublesome sub-text of the October Surprise: "X-Files" -- The 1980 election scandal exposed... the extraneous-demon-us-venomous anger driven association between Obama and aging [VX] Vietnam-era Weather Underground Radical Terrorist William Ayers. Sen. Obama has not expressed the troublesome sub-text of the November Surprise: "X-X-Files" -- The 2008 election scandal exposed... the extraneous-demon-us-venomous anger driven association between Obama and 501-(C)-Shaddy-Sharpton-Semilunar-Crescent of Allah Islam and Solar-Solecism-Sista-Soljah-Souljah-Jihad -- AXIS OF EVIL Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Wright and MUSLIM EXTREMIST Malcolm X KillA -- Louis Farrakhan, and Malcolm X Mosque No. 7 - JIHADI -- FATIMA EXTREMIST underground-money connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Sen. Obama is not a separatist-racist. Michelle Obama AKA Wildabeast is not a liberal-leftist-sexist-racist. Michelle Obama AKA Wildabeast -- did not fail the Illinois Bar Exam and trot out her Marxist leftist-separatist-racist Socialist X box - Soapbox; Sen. Obama is not a self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box. "GLORK" Obama executed no crime in Harlem. Obama is Not America's Poison -- Reality:...He's Radio-Active.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
SOULJAH JIHAD -- OBAMA CAMPAIGN CRISIS
The Republicans' disengagement (media bias), if not disillusionment, with the economic campaign issues is borne out by the fact that many more Republicans are able to explain, extinguish, and excoriate the name Barrack Obama with the term (JIHAD), than can name Bush/Dick Cheney and McCain -- as the Big Oil -- BIG HALLIBURTAN politicians expanding GOP IRAQ WAR ideology, and Republican White House Party Elders' GI Bill of Rights for the 21st century IRAQ WAR ECONOMY. Even among Tupac Shakur, Bob Marley, Muhammad Ali, Ben Holt, Cotton-Club to Lenox Club- a.k.a. "The Breakfast Club," Staples Singers In Ghana 1971: "When Will We Get Paid," Paul Robeson, DMX or Jay-Z . . . excerpts from the infamous Malcolm X speech “The Ballot or the Bullet” inexperienced Obama and conservative Republicans: Clinton is much more visible than GOP presumptive candidate John McCain towards affecting positively the important economic issues facing America's middle class economy. Next, Speaking at an awards banquet for the Society of Professional Journalists on April 4, "Phoenix New Times" and Village Voice Media Inc. Executive Editor Michael Lacey used the "N-word" to refer to a former colleague who voted for the godless, money-laundering, call-girl-reach-around loving liberal McCain, who collaborated with the Viet Cong, hides a Rx- cyanide pill in his check, and secretly fathered a black child with a Unicorn Crêpe Suzette look-alike, who turned out to become -- you guessed it -- Barack Obama?
When asked who they would vote for in the general election for president of the United States, the natural pendulum swing in America is approximately 79% of Republicans named Hillary Clinton as their choice. Reasons for Obama's Campaign Crisis "GLORK" Campaign Crisis include:
No excuses. Sen. Obama accepted more money from oil company executives last month than any other candidate, while he ran an ad saying he didn't take money from oil companies. Context of ad extends that oil money taken by IL Sen. Barrack Obama from BIG HALIBURTAN spells bad MO-Jo for Obama Campaign Crisis and RX for U.S. stock x-change = VX for U.S. economy. Sen. Obama's giveaways to the oil industry are not limited to tax breaks. They also include provisions like royalty relief that are worth billions. And many of the tax "increases" are simply extensions of existing taxes that do not impose any additional burden on oil companies. Exactly half of giveaways were not tax provisions. For instance, the oil companies received billions in royalty waivers. Obama voted for Big Oil -- BIG HALLIBURTAN Dick Cheney's 2005 energy bill containing "billions in dollars in giveaways to the oil companies." [ Ludacris ]
Big Oil -- BIG HALLIBURTAN -- OBAM 50 Cent LIES --
EXAMPLE:
Sections 344-345
Waives royalty payments for drilling for some natural gas in the Gulf of Mexico.
Section 346
Waives royalty payments for drilling in offshore Alaska.
Sections 353-4
Waives royalty payments for gas hydrate extraction on the Outer Continental Shelf and public land in Alaska.
Section 383
Allows oil companies drilling in federal land off the coast of a particular state to pay the state 44 cents of every dollar it would have paid to the federal government for the privilege of drilling on federal land.
"Sen. Barack Obama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show. Obama has taken at least $263,000 from oil company executives, family members and employees since entering the presidential race last year, including $46,000 last month. At least $140,000 has come in chunks of between $1,000 and $2,300, the maximum permitted under federal law." [LA Times, 4/24/08]
"Obam has more holes in him than Swiss-Cheese." [CNN's "Politics.com," 4/01/08]
Obam's presidential campaign has received $2,812,336 from firms that employ registered federal lobbyists. [fec.gov]
Obama has taken $405,747 from the Pharmaceutical industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obama has received $1,185,937 from the Commercial Banking industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has received over six million dollars from the Securities & Investment industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam extracted $666,357 from Exxon-Mobil. [factcheck.org]
Obam extorted $213,000 from Exelon- a nuclear plant operator in Illinois. [truthdig.com]
Obam has taken $608,822 from the Insurance industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has taken $168,584 from the Mortgage Banking industry. [opensecrets.org]
"GLORK" SOULJAH JIHAD -- CAMPAIGN CRISIS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410&q=Fitna&total=1413&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
WASHINGTON -- Obama's support among Democrats nationally has softened.
"GLORK" Sen. Barack Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month, particularly among men and upper-income voters, as voters have taken a slightly less positive view of him than they did after his burst of victories in February, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
The survey suggests that Mr. Obama's proximity to Chicago, Democrat of Illinois, may have been at something of a peak in February, propelled by a string of primary and caucus victories over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, and that perceptions of him are dramatically trending downward.
Mr. Obama’s favorability rating among Democratic primary voters has dropped seventeen percentage points, to 42 percent, since the last Times/CBS News survey, in late February. While that figure is steadily declining, this dramatic decline came in a month during which he endured withering attacks from Mrs. Clinton, and responded to reports that his exiled former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago, and swirling questions about Harlem, and the criminal money generating underworld of 501-(C)-Shaddy-Sharpton-Semilunar-Crescent of Allah Islam Mosque No. 7; and what Barack Obama did in Harlem -- from which he cannot extricate himself.
The events of the last month (with the possible exception of Muslim Jihad).appear to have fundamentally altered the race for the party’s nomination and provided Mrs. Clinton’s campaign extensive evidence of a collapse in Mr. Obama’s standing or an overwhelming preference voiced for Mrs. Clinton by Democratic and Republican voters in polls: -- perplexing developments in Obama's ongoing Campaign Crisis, that could be used to persuade uncommitted super-delegates to sign on with Hillary Clinton.
Twenty-six percent of the general electorate voters who heard of the Apologia speech that Mr. Obama the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama gave to try to deal with the controversy over Obama's separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah, said it made them dislike him. And 74 percent of Democrats and Republicans said Mr. Obama's Campaign Crisis "GLORK" Campaign Crisis "God damn America" - Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama. "God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI and Hillary Clinton... stems from the fact that he shows continued misjudgment for even the most challenging problems. Next, the overall opinion of people in the news this year; Mr. Obama lacks the decisive capability to lead, willingness to listen, conviction and courage. Mr. Obama is no Alexander Manly when it comes to sexist-racist issues, and he uses false charges and exaggerated hate-the Saxon-race claims to play politics with national security.
The junior senator from Illinois has been doing a lot of explaining about the inexcusable company he has kept for the last 17 years or so. The complexity of Obama's extremism is that it is all about him. He's the change... as in La change, c'est moi! ("I am the State") Exactly. Barack Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX, and his wife Michelle Obama AKA Wildabeast -- the Marxist Leninist Separatist-Racist Socialist X box - SoapboX come across as condescending Ivy League black rage liberationists. A politician can not chose the family he has However; he can chose the pastor he keeps. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has influenced Obama's liberal-elitist-separatist-racist Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad views on a variety of subjects. This flare-up may have exacerbated what happened to Obama over the years, as his MUSLIM radicalism and demonize the White-Saxon-race, may expel the same Rev. Wright belief -- that America and its US allies brought on 9/11. In a sincere re-examination of his world-view, Obama's Mea Culpa-Apologia says this guy is like an uncle to him. To Obama the excursus of AXIS OF EVIL Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Wright and MUSLIM EXTREMIST Malcolm X KillA -- Louis Farrakhan black rage, is grounded in extremist-racist hate Israel world-view, and extols Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s praise of Barack; while white resentment of Obama's black-rage demagoguery is exaggerated and exploited. But shouldn’t his long term relationship with these despicable characters call into question at the very least Obama’s judgment? From Waxahache, TX.-- to Axis-of-Evil, Mr. Obama lied about the politics of his campaign, and knew about Ex-Pastor Rev. Wright's MUSLIM Militant Farrakhan Malcolm X Mosque No. 7 - JIHADI -- FATIMA EXTREMIST mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
Colfax: Sen. Obama on Lobbyists --
“Considering that Sen. Obama voted to suspend the gas tax three times when gas cost less than $2 a gallon and has an energy lobbyist chairing his Indiana campaign, it's hard to take his latest criticisms very seriously. Senator Obama wants Americans to pay the gas tax but Senator Clinton thinks the big oil companies should pay it this summer.” - Clinton spokesperson Phil Singer
Colfax: Sen. Obama voted three times for a gas tax holiday in 2000 when gas prices were less than $2 a gallon. Next, Kip Tew, the top advisor to Obama's Indiana campaign is an energy lobbyist. Tew said recently, "I'm not running away from the fact that I'm a lobbyist. I have a healthy client list, and I'm proud of it."
May 3, 2008--APEX-- 2:11:35 PM #
The choice is simple: Senator Obama wants the American people to pay the gas tax this summer but Senator Clinton thinks Big Oil should.
The Clinton gas tax holiday is financed exclusively through a tax on windfall profits from oil companies and keeps the Highway Transportation Trust fund intact. Hillary opposed a plan in 2000 for a gas tax holiday because it was financed with transportation funds.
Sen. Obama voted three times for a gas tax holiday in 2000 when gas prices were less than $2 a gallon.
MAY 2, 2008--APEX-- 11:54:21 AM #
"When it comes to lobbyists, Senator Obama’s words might sound nice but voters need to make sure they read the fine print. Despite trying to give the impression that he has no relationship with lobbyists or special interests, the reality is that Senator Obama takes money from people who hire lobbyists, partners of lobbyists, spouses of lobbyists, former lobbyists and state lobbyists."
Statement from Clinton Deputy Communications Director, Phil Singer
Sen. Obama Has Ties to Lobbyists in His Presidential Bid.
Public Citizen: 10 of Sen. Obama's bundlers have been federal lobbyists. The Public Citizen report listed the following ten bundlers for Sen. Obama who have registered as federal lobbyists: Frank Clark, Commonwealth Edison; Scott Harris, Harris Wiltshire and Grannis; Allan J. Katz, Akerman Senterfitt; Robert S. Litt, Arnold & Porter; Thomas J. Perrelli, Jenner and Block; Thomas A. Reed, Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Preston Gates Ellis LLP; Paul N. Roth, Schulte Roth & Zabel; Miriam Sapiro, Summit Strategies; Alan Solomont, Solomont Bailis Ventures; and Tom E. Wheeler, Core Capital Partners. [Public Citizen, 1/29/08]
Sen. Obama and his thugs extort money from employees of firms that lobby and has lobbyists as advisers. "But those who lobby for a living say it's not that simple, and even Obama's stance shows some flexibility. He won't take money from federal lobbyists but accepts money from employees of firms and corporations that lobby, and he uses lobbyists and other government relations professionals as advisers... Obama has also used major fundraisers who are registered lobbyists on the state level. And he uses registered federal lobbyists such as Broderick Johnson, who lobbies for AT&T and Shell Oil, among others, as a campaign adviser. Because Johnson isn't giving money to Obama, his name won't show up in Federal Election Commission records." [Chicago Tribune, 2/10/08]
Bloomberg: Five of [Obama’s] ten biggest sources of funds are groups of employees at law firms that lobby in Washington. "While Obama doesn't accept money from registered federal lobbyists, five of his 10 biggest sources of funds are groups of employees at law firms that lobby in Washington…Among Obama's top donors were employees of the Chicago-based law firm of Sidley Austin LLP, who gave $105,750 in the first quarter. The firm was paid $4.5 million last year" for lobbying the federal government. [Bloomberg, 6/7/07]
Obam's presidential campaign has received $2,812,336 from firms that employ registered federal lobbyists. [fec.gov]
Obam has taken $405,747 from the Pharmaceutical industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has received $1,185,937 from the Commercial Banking industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has received over six million dollars from the Securities & Investment industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has taken $608,822 from the Insurance industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam has taken $168,584 from the Mortgage Banking industry. [opensecrets.org]
Obam extracted $666,357 from Exxon-Mobil. [factcheck.org]
Obam extorted $213,000 from Exelon- a nuclear plant operator in Illinois. [truthdig.com]
Obam voted for the Big Oil -- BIG HALLIBURTAN Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy Bill, Hillary opposed. [H.R. 6, Vote #213, 07/29/05]
Prior to His Presidential Campaign, Sen. Obama extorted Money from Lobbyists and PACs
Obam's Leadership PAC includes John Gorman of Texas-based Tejas Securities, a major supporter of Senate Democrats as well as the Bush presidential campaigns. [truthdig.com]
1996-2004: $296,000 of the $461,000 Sen. Obama raised as a state senator came from PACs, corporate contributions or unions. "But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant. In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show." [Boston Globe, 8/9/07]
In his 2004 U.S. Senate race, Sen. Obama raised $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs. "Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall." [Boston Globe, 8/9/07]
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
Add your thoughts
Your comment will be posted immediately, unless it is spam or contains profanity. For more information, please see our comment guidelines.advertisement


taxes,elections,fiscal policy.
First; since all of our greedy boys on "K Street " and our greedy and overly egotistical politicians have managed to completely screw up the economy along w/ our WALL STREET bankers, this would be a wonderful time to enact the FairTax and dump all of the above named personages along with the 16th amendment...
It certainly seems to me that the "Washington Disease" more commonly known
to us unwashed people as Rectal-Cranial Inversion, is still alive and well.
Apr 11, 2008 22:46:28 PM [permalink] [report comment]