When Does Interrogation Become Torture?
The Bush administration torture memos blur the line
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When Does Interrogation Become Torture?
It becomes torcher when they use interrogation techniques that lock onto the human neural network and extract information by wireless interrogation against a persons will; where two signals are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of a subject to induce pain, or interrogate that indicidual without him having to speak. (Somewhat similar to listening to a baby's heartbeat with ultrasound). In this instance they direct the signals to the human brains receptors, which lock onto the signals and follow them. This technique requires their GPS Satellites for mapping. Now, we have the knowledge of the mixture of technologies which incorporate Enhanced Communication Satellites with Mapping Satellites (GPS). Brain Mapping is a technology that is also used. I've been torchered in the United States by our Government and still currently being torchered. My physician said they are killing me this way and that they threatened him to be quiet about this or they would take his physicians license since he was from Hungary. That's when Interrogation becomes torcher. I have met other individuals that are in a "Neural Network" loop where all of their brains receptors are in a Wide Area Network, just like a router, and they can communicate with each other and attack their targets without ever speaking a word to each other. Ask me how I know about these technologies? They leaked them to me, threatened me to work for them and torcher me, which is leaving large amounts of scar tissue in my skull and putting pressure on my brain, cited by my physician that it will cause death if not stopped. They get away with torcher by not disclosing the facts of their interrogation methods. They aren't telling the truth. Of course, you have this too, they make you look like you have a mental problem if you tell on them, just like they did their own NSA employees who exposed them. I think we all have better things to do than have to reach out with evidence of Government Corruption and the use of technologies that they use to kill Americans and hide their own crimes. Here are some links below to support the proof of the technology existence, since they will have their people get on this site to discredit Whistleblowers. US Patents don't lie. Verify them in the US Patent Office Online. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html
The e911 Meth Coalition uses it in Missouri to bust drug dealers and target mob, gangs, etc. The police are part of those organizations here and they are killing everyone who owns dirt on them, by the use of these enhanced communication satellites. Thats when it becomes torcher. That's what the Bush Administration created. A death squad to cover up the governments own crimes. God Speed to all.
http://www.rense.com/general3/patent.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yzvtyae
http://tinyurl.com/yfrlhh6
http://www.surveillanceissues.com/
http://www.rense.com/general3/patent.htm
http://tinyurl.com/mdw86y
http://altered-state.com/index2.htm?/mind/minddriv.htm
TORCHER
So, asc of Wa; did you run to the pharmacy to buy masks to stave off the flu your genetic brethren have unleashed upon this world! Such a miniscule risk; why bother?
You are a brave man who can face death with equanimity; I hope you will get the chance some day to PROVE just how brave you are as the knife slashes at your throat! Miniscule risk, like drowning in 6inches of water, but that doesn't frighten you, does it, braggart?!
Me? I do mind the miniscule risk of dying in a terror attack; and I sure as hell would mind it if I were forced to jump out of the top a 100-floor building with my child OR YOURS in my arms, to escape the fire some evildoer had set and I and my government had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PREVENT!
Miniscule indeed! as miniscule as the brain that accepts violent death as being just one more aspect of an cowardly life!
Torture
I don't know a definitive description of torture as a domain of thinking. I believe, if one is feeling a little demonic glee when dispensing coercive pressure on another human, your motives are suspect and you have lost your focus on ethics and morality. For me, torture is listening to a critical yet otherwise mental defective tell the President of the United States that a 100 million dollar cut in expenses is not going to have an effect. This critic has either lost all connection with reality or has a hidden agenda. Even a skunk is better company than a person like that.
Are our enemies (and maybe our friends) laughing?
Do you get the feeling that Al Qaeda, the Russians, the Chinese, the French, MI6, Hezbollah, Castro(s), etc. are all laughing after reading these memos? Given all the technology, medical and psychological knowledge we have accumulated we might slap them or pour water over a towel on their face while they suffer the dual indignities of wearing a diaper and a liquid diet? And this all goes on in the presence of medical professionals observing for the sole purpose of...no, not assisting...stopping it if the prisoner shows signs of too much duress. Terrifying indeed.
Nothing was done to a detainee that had not been done to our own people. Do we torture our own? I don't think so. That aside, government lawyers very thoroughly considered the techniques being used separately, collectively and in specific cases, in light of the relevant laws and statutes, and determined that they did not constitute torture. Is there a comparable legal opinion that states otherwise? If there is, I would like to compare the two opinions on their merits.
One has to expect that a society where spanking or even raising your voice to your child can earn you a visit from Child Protective Services and where swings and merry-go-rounds have been removed from playgrounds would be squeamish about the activities described in these memos. The urge to extend the protections you give children, and battered women for that matter, to suspected terrorists is certainly a respectable one. However, it lacks practicality in matters of national security. Pain, and more relevantly in this case, discomfort and uncertainty, all do more to assist us in getting information from individuals who wish to do our nation irreparable harm. Fortunately, torture has yet to become necessary. For that, see Bond, James Bond.
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It becomes torture when the ICRC says it's torture. Which it does.
Also, if you're willing to torture prisoners rather than take some miniscule risk of dying in a terror attack, you don't deserve to be an american.
Interesting....
That they're being called the Bush Torture Memos, instead of the Bush Interrogation Memos. Not that there's media bias or anything.
It’s a tough and dangerous world out there.
I don’t know the answer to this, but I feel that the United States needs to do two conflicting things – 1) We need to be pragmatic and aggressively gather intelligence which will protect us in this dangerous world, and 2) we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard in respecting the sanctity and dignity of human life. The balanced answer may tilt from side to side over time, but the fact that we pursue both of these goals has historically set us apart from the rest of the world. Asking this question means the pursuit continues.
In my opinion..
slapping aroud a terror suspect, deliverin' a few to his gut to show that your serious IS NOT torture. Shocking him or using tools of our grotesque modern tech. to get an answer is torture.
When Two and Two make Five
Watching Obama and his trained media seals, it appears that interrogation becomes torture when there is a Republican in the White House, notwithstanding any complicity or knowledge of the Democratic congressional leadership. Interrogation is never torture though, when performed by Latin American or Arab dictators who Obama wants to "listen to" and"engage". That would seem to cover the question nicely.
You make the call
If it were your life or that of your love ones the answer to the question would take on an entirely different meaning. Think back to all the finger pointing and blame game after the 9/11 attacks. If another attack happens the same questions will be ask by those that lose loved ones, "why didn't you do this or that?" If "waterboarding" THREE killers stop one attack then it was the right thing to do and I don't care if it was interrogation or torture. What the pinheads on the left don't get and have never gotten is that we are at war and have been since the late 1970's. We have lost hundred of Americans and countless of other innocent people.
My position is that as long as there is no permanent damage done, missing limb, missing head, brain damage, etc then it is Interrogation. Any interrogation technique could be considered torture, but what other choice do you have? You are not going to get the information that will save lives by offering an ice cream and a hug, so grow up and deal with the reality of humanity.









