Wall Street, the Great Depression, Hoover, Roosevelt, and the Unintended Consequences of Presidential Action

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The Great Depression

2-10 Good article and I think accurate. One big problem is that schools avoided teaching about the depression (called it a problem) I lived on an Illinois farm and we were really hurting though dad a good farmer. We didn't know that the government knew less that we did and still the samo. Leaders want credit for solving so anything goes--or really don't go. FDR did extend the depression as not Obama is apt to do. He is just a kid with bad ideas that he tries to make sound good.

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Follow Up Book Recommendation:

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FDR Did prolong the depression

For all of you what think FDR was our saviour during the great depression I have only one question.

Why did europe only suffer for a short period of time compared to the United States?

Read the forgotten man with an open mind, create a spreadsheet and put what was done in europe and compare it to what was done int United States, use google to verify any way you like.

Facts are stuborn things, if you are at all honest you might be surprised to see what the differences were and why the US suffered a GREAT depression while the rest of the free world rebounded relatively quickly.

PRESIDENT TRUMAN's SPEECH of 1948, sums up the Great Depression and its aftermath quite nicely---

"....You have a choice between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Within the memory of most of us here, a clear record has been written that shows how much difference that choice can make. The Republicans wrote part of their record from 1921 to 1933. They led the country to depression, poverty, and despair. It is easy to forget what the black days of the depression were like. Let us recall a few, just a few of the bitter facts.

In 1932, after 12 years of Republican bungling, more than 12 million men and women were unemployed. In 1932 the average worker in manufacturing industries was making 45 cents an hour - if he was lucky enough to have a job.... The working men and women in this country could not do much to help themselves, because the strength of their unions had been broken by the reactionary labor policies of the Republican administration.

The Republican bubble burst in 1929, and when it burst: There was no minimum wage to cushion the blow. There was no unemployment compensation to carry the working man's family along. There was no work relief program to help people through the crisis. But the party of privilege was ready to carry big business through the crisis. It created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for that purpose. The banks, the railways, the insurance companies - they got relief, but not the American people. For the unemployed, it was Hoovervilles and soup kitchens. Veterans were encouraged to go into business for themselves - selling apples. That is the Republican record.

[T]he Democratic Party began to build prosperity for business, labor, and agriculture. We wrote into law the right of the working men and women to organize in unions of their own choice, and to bargain collectively. We put a floor under wages. We outlawed child labor. We created a great insurance system to protect working men and women against the hazards of unemployment and old age. We wrote into law a system of price supports for farm products, so that the bottom would not drop from under the farmer's income the way it did in the 1920's. We put a curb on Wall Street speculation, and stopped the money changers from gambling with people's savings.

With these reforms and many others, the Democratic Party brought the country to the greatest period of prosperity ever known in the history of the world.... And business hasn't suffered too much under the New Deal! Corporations had a loss of $4 billion in 1932. But in 1947 they had a profit of $17 billion, after taxes. These same corporations - these same corporations now claim the Democrats are hostile to business. If I were in their shoes, I would want some more of that kind of hostility...."

FDR

FDR had the benfit of time. He was able to evaluate the steps taken to amend the the growing problem. It's like fighting a cold. After facing the worst, you start to improve. When you examine the differnces between then and now. We are still in much better shape. We are still spending money at the box office, at the stadium, 95% of motages are being paid on time. The wrong steps made in the early 1930's are not being repeated. What has kept us from the Depression is that the Fundamentals are still strong, well above the figures of other recessionary cycles. As we move forward, and have the time to examine this period. The data will reveal that it was not fair to draw this comparison. For it was a mere political ploy. In which a pandering to concerns and fears where used against the American People.

Hoover VS. Roosevelt

Putting Roosevelt and Hoover in the same boat is very bad history, as usual the republicans do not want too many controls over "Free Enterprise" so that the big corporations can do more or less anything they want to do regardless of its social implications....generally speaking the conservatives usually consider property rights as more important than human rights which are the backbone of our democratic society... Roosevelt was our national hero who did what had to be done with the help of a great deal of brilliant individuals with similar goals and ideals collectivly called the "NEW DEAL".....But it took the second world war to really unlease the tremendous power of our industrial complex to raise our standard of living....

FDR's Decisive Action saved the US from 1920's GOP

FDR was decisive and 'take charge' in getting things done with a mandate to pull the country out of the Depression created by the Republican's of the 1920's.

As much as conservatives try to degrade FDR's decisive polices that pulled the country of the Great Depression, we can see anchors from FDR that have offered some stability in today's economic crisis. Notably the FDIC was recognized and upgraded as part of the Bailout Package. The SEC still stands as a firewall against corruption, even as weakened as it is with self-professed deregulators at the helm.

Critics would like to undermine leadership by calling it 'snatching power', but FDR was a positive contrast to the lame administrations of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover who abandoned the capitalism to corruption, much like our current republicans.

Funny how this article characterizes the weak and timid GOP of 1920's as acting persuasive, yet without any results. Truth be told Coolidge and Harding were the persuaded - by bribes and corruption, and Hoover is the embodiment of a failed leader - a 'Do-nothing' president. The whole worthless pack of 1920's republicans were subservient to Big Oil clearly demonstrated in the Teapot Dome Investigations. The GOP party was bought and paid for by oil money in the 1920's, which ironically so parallels our own GOP of the 2000's.

Thank God FDR took the lead - his first 100 days are the epitome of presidential leadership yet unmatched, and it is something sorely needed right now.

Leadership Style

"Where Hoover used suasion, Roosevelt tended simply to snatch power."

And Bush, when he couldn't just snatch power, resorts to threats of martial law, according to Rep. Brad Sherman. See my post on this:

http://akagaga.blogspot.com/2008/10/martial-law-in-united-states-of-america.html