Obama Seeks Common Ground on Abortion

Pat says he & Comp "share love of Christ & the Gospel"

Pat & Comp can't understand mitosis and are not clear on the meaning of many words. Abortion, done early, removes so small a number of cells that they can fit in a container the size of a kidney bean. P & C accept doctored photos and drawings that pretend an early conception is the size of a small turkey.

To try to end discussion of the money-motive of Pro-Life, there's a death threat and use of the word "ninny." Pat says he and Compassion are reaching out to me "to share their love of Christ and the Gospel." They are evangelizing. That means they hope they can convert me to be a tither. That kind of "sharing" feels more like an offer to infect me with a disease. I took time to see how many children were born to nonexistent Adam and Eve, and here came another incest story. Cain's wife had to be a sister or other blood relative. Children are taught to love the Bible with its tale of incest after the Flood, among 8 survivors, and in the myth of Lot having a baby with each daughter. The topic of discussion here is Pro-Life and WHY its leaders demand government enforcement of church laws that ban abortion.

Pat & Compassion deny $ motive of Pro-Life, but--

Pro-life uses some tithe income to pay for misleading propaganda that tells people lies about mitosis. That's the process of cell division during pregnancy. My July 12 comment explained it, but the Prolifers refused to learn from it. The Washington State Department of Health gives a list of reportable inheritable diseases. Abortion gives welcome relief from being born with those terrible abnormalities. There's no compassion in a comment that uses the word "ninny" as a way to try to escape debate. Some commentators say they have "holes in their lives and they fill the holes with God and Christ." Those are elaborate hallucinations. Church income, how to get it and increase it, IS the reason for Ban-Abortion laws. Men have joined NARAL, National Abortion Rights Action League. They do this because they don't want to be FORCED to be fathers. The leading cause of death of pregnant women is to be killed by their impregnators.

aura, you are a ninny

aura, Compassion and I were reaching to someone. That is what Christians do. We share the love of God and the gospel. You think it is all about money. If it was all about money, why do pastors in foreign countries get beat up or even killed for their faith when they could simply pay off the government or whomever is persecuting them? Also, nobody puts a gun to your head when they pass the offerring plate. The worse you could get from a deacon or elder is a scowl for not giving something and that's it.

No, we do not believe an embryo or a fetus is a potential believer to pay tithes so that we must protect them. We believe that the fetus and the embryo is a human being created by God and deserves the chance to live life to the fullest. We are not talking about cancerous mass or a tape worm residing within a woman's body. We are talking about human life. And who are we to take away someone's life who has yet to commit one act, whether good or bad?

Do you believe Hitler was evil? If yes, then your last comment makes no sense. After all, where would all those Jews, gypsies, gays, mentally challenged, etc. be today? How could the world support them and their descendants? If you believe he wasn't evil, then you are crazy.

Where did somebody mispeak about mitosis?

48 million aborted since Roe 1973--Good News

Where would a 48 million rise in population have gone-- since Roe v Wade made the civil government stop enforcing the Catholic church law that says abortion is a "crime?" It's excellent that 48 million more consumers are not here, needing food, water, housing, education, etc. Religion seems to slow down the thinking process, or make it easier for Pro-Life to get people to send money to Ban-Abortion preachers.

Roe made the U.S.A stop acting like Muslim nations that make women stay home until a male relative drives them around, like moving household furniture. Roe is not so much about "choice" as about THE MOBILITY OF WOMEN, their right to GO where they want to go. If Catholic Supreme Court judges try to annul Roe by saying it's about "choice" they must be reminded it's about MOBILITY...freedom to move around.

Sermons, sermons, sermons fill comment screens

Maybe filling screens with sermons is a way to decrease helpful discussion of abortion, a medical procedure that stops cell division. At one month, there are two cells--sperm and egg, the zygote. Then the blastocyte attaches to the womb lining. Two of the cells are part of the placenta and amniotic sac. AT 2 months, the collection of cells is about the size of a kidney bean. If Pro-Life forces the woman to wait to 3 months, the doctor deals with an ounce of cells about an inch long. At 4 months, the cartilage is turning into bone. Religious comments prove many people don't know anything about the process called mitosis. They sound like bicycle mechanics giving wrong advice on how work on a Ferrari. A money-making motive drives Pro-Lifers. They believe each conception has the potential to become a believer, and pay the ten per cent life time tithe. If a person pays 10 per cent on a steady lifetime income of $40,000, over 40 years, that's $160,000. (.10 x $4000 x 40 = $160,000.) If the person pays extra fees for weddings, baptisms, confirmations, funerals and church school, each unaborted conception means a lot of church income.

Life and God:

Real,

C.S Lewis is a great author.

I can tell you my path to God.

My parents took us to church when I was younger than 7 years old. We stopped going to church and I don't know why. We went to church only on Easter and sometimes on Christmas with my Fathers Parents (my grandparents). A few times I went with my mom's parents. We kids liked Easter because we were there with other kids and got prizes. Christmas at my house as a kids was all about how many gifts I could get. My parents were loving. Sunday was just another work day for my father and us.

Later when I became a teenager I started going to church with friends (Methodist, Presbyterian, Protestant, non-denomenation, Catholic, Lutheran, and etc...). I attended several with several people. This is what sparked my interest in Christianity. I felt the love of the people. I also noticed that most of them were happier than I was. I wanted to know what it was that made them happy. I started asking questions to understand who they were and what made them different from me.

I started looking for the people who had this strong sense of purpose and meaning. I wanted to understand where they got this. I went off to college with a few pennies in my pocket but determined to graduate. While in college I attended the Methodist church and Youth Ministry meetings (sometimes). Mostly when I got something out of it like free food.

I started dating a girl I met in college and eventually married her (in the Catholic Church). I started going to church with her in the Catholic Church. I hated it and felt like an outsider. They all knew the prayers and the flow of the mass and I did not. I did not even know when to stand, kneel and sit. I really got mad one time when the priest was showering holy water on everyone and I was flooded. I got real mad because I thought he did it on purpose.

I attended mass not as a member when it was convient for me or when I got something like donuts or free food. This went on until I was 24. At 24, my wife was pregnant with our daughter. I made the decision right then that I did not want my children to be confused like I was. I made the decision to become a Catholic (1 year RCIA process). I was baptized, confirmed, recieve communion, and gave my first confession. It was amazing but I fell away.

Over the next 10 years I was searching for myself and the only difference this time was that I called on God every once in a while to help me. I also seeked what it was that made christians happier (not all of them but a many of them). I went to some retreats and kept praying. God was talking to me through many people that he put in my life at the right time. He was changing my heart. Everytime I fell he sent someone to help me. I wish I could tell you about all of them.

For another 10 years he has taught me that I am not Superman, Life is all about Love, and that only He can fill the emptiness that I had. God Bless You And Your Family!

Corrections

Sorry Realist, Lewis was not a Catholic but a Protestant all of his life. Hugo Dyson was the other fellow with J.R.R. Tolkien and Lewis while walking through Addison's Walk.

God and C.S. Lewis

First, I would support transferring a fetus to another person/couple, but from what you are describing sounds like slavery.

Second, existence of a divine being. The FSM is bad joke many atheists use to create a straw-man when they argue, though astonishingly there is the possibility many believe that such a being does in fact exist. From what I have heard and read, he does not seem like a deity who really cares about humanity and has the same human weaknesses the Greek gods had. Read Isaiah 44:9-20 and you'll see that such things like the FSM are quite contemptable. (If you don't have a Bible, go to biblegateway.com and type in the reference). As for the Greco-Roman, Norse, etc., you'd have to compare their beliefs and accounts to what is said in the Bible to find which makes more sense. I would recommend anything written by MacDowell or Strobel as they are both modern apologists who were once atheists themselves and have found Christianity very reasonable to believe.

Now I'm sure you're wondering why I even mentioned C.S. Lewis. Lewis was originally a Catholic and was raised to be a good believer by his mother who he dearly loved. However, she died and Jack (for one reason or another friends called Lewis this) could not come to terms that a loving God would do this. Therefore he decided there could be no God. Many years later, he became a professor at Oxford and met a man named Tolkien. Tolkien was a Catholic and befriended Jack. During their time together, Tolkien, Lewis, and others met together to discuss this and that including Christianity. Naturally, Lewis disagreed with the idea of a divine being. As time went on, he accepted that there was most likely a higher power, but it could not be the Christian God because of his mother. Around 2:00 a.m. one morning, Tolkien, Lewis, and another friend were walking through Addisson's Walk. Tolkien and the other person were pleading with Jack that Christ was indeed God. Lewis said that Christ's story was so similar to other myths that it had to be a myth too. Tolkien replied that Christ was the myth that was made into reality. At some point or another, C.S. Lewis came to believe that the gospel was indeed true. There is a plaque with an inspirational poem by Lewis to commemorate the area where he became a believer in Christ in Addison's Walk. Read a biography of Lewis, or watch the movie called the Shadowlands. Also read Mere Christianity.

Proof of God

Jesus talked about God.

Some people talk about Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Some people talk about Zeus.

Some people wrote stories about God.

Some people wrote stories about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Some people wrote stories about Zeus.

None of those facts prove the existance of any of those gods.

When the Christian church and other God fearing churches ruled, people wanted it to tend. Now, the churches don't rule, government and religion are seperate, and people want to keep it that way.

I'm more likely to believe in Zeus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster at some point in time than I am to go back to believe in the christian God.

I agree and proof

I agree, I think that is taking it a little to far.

Dropping back to a previous comment you made:

Do you believe that Jesus existed? Did you know that there are many non-christian books that were written about Jesus. The Romans wrote several books about Jesus. Jesus is the proof that there is a God. Jesus came to tell the truth. Jesus tells us about God.

If you want proof that you can touch then you must open the door. Jesus is knocking on the door to your heart but he will not force himself in. You must invite him in. If you invite him in then you will recognize the truth and will not want to let go. Only God can fill the empty spot in us. Only God can calm us. We were born to be loved by God. We all have a void in us that can only be filled with God's love.

To open the door you only need to ask Jesus to come into your life. God will show you the proof that he exists. If you open the door wide then God will fill your heart. Reach out to other priests, pastors, and christians so that they can help you answer all your questions because you will have a flood of questions.

I will pray that you will get your proof quickly.

God Bless You And Your Family