The Vatican on Muslims and Jews
The pope has offended some followers of other faiths but may be mending fences
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Hippocracy
As long as orgs such as the ADL and their offspring feel the need to disparage christianity at every turn and whine like children when their own religion comes under *ANY* sort of criticism. Jews especially want to be treated as somehow special people yet are the most vindictive group of people on the planet. Muslims, in my opinion, were always tolerant of everyone until we began butting into their lives and their countries. The jew is the one causing world problems, it may sound anti-semitic but if you open your eyes and see without blinders, it pretty obvious who is the antagonist.
Vatican on Muslims and Jews
Morton:
1) Jesus, Peter, and Paul were genetically Jewish but the first Christians - converted from religion of Judaism. I miss your basis for saying they were never Christians. The term Christian means "little Christs" - surely Christ was Christ and Peter and Paul both acknowleged Jesus' teachings as authoritative to amend and even supersede the Mosiac law. For example, Christ's teaching's on lust and adultery.
2) "Paul was subject to epilectic fits": Please point out a book of antiquity that initimates this. I have never heard anyone make this claim.
3) Paul's teachings were a "Hellenic amalgam of idolatry and vindictivness": What about Paul's writings were representative of Greek idolatry?
4) "as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached" - in the spirit of validating truth or lies - can you validate for me if indeed this is teaching of Muhamad. I have heard from various sources that it is in fact a teaching of Muhammed.
Thanks for thoughts.
No World Peace Without A Third Jewish Temple
The Holy Bible, New International Version. Mt 23:5.
Mt 23:5 “Everything they do is done for men to see: r They make their phylacteries 100 s wide and the tassels on their garments t long;
Mt 23:6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; u
Mt 23:7 they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’ v
Mt 23:8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
Mt 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, w and he is in heaven.
Mt 23:10 Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 101
Mt 23:11 The greatest among you will be your servant. x
Mt 23:12 For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. y
Get your pagan sun god wafer out and take communion!
THE POPE CALLS HIMSELF NOT JUST ‘FATHER’, but ‘HOLY FATHER.’ This is a clear violation of Scriptures. Yes, the Jewish priests call themselves, ‘Rabbi,’ the Catholic Pope & Priests call themselves, ‘Father,’ and secular authorities call their scholastic leaders, ‘Teacher,’ however, my only FATHER is the God of Israel, who alone is Messiah.
The Holy Bible, New International Version. Isa 43:11.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, m and apart from me there is no savior. n
The Holy Bible, New International Version. Isa 44:6.
I am the first and I am the last; i apart from me there is no God. j
So why would Catholics pray to MARY or THE SAINTS?
To pray to anyone other than the god of Israel breaks the first two commandments. You can’t set any god beside the God of Israel or replace his throne with another name like Allah.
Christians believe in the God of Israel as EXCLUSIVE FATHER, but what Christians believe, that Jewish Believers don’t believe, is that the God of Israel became a human being for 33 years and that the great secret of Jesus Christ is that the God of Israel, as our exclusive Messiah, died on the cross in the name of Yeshua/Jesus. In other words, the God of Abraham, Issac,, Jacob, David, and Solomon joined us in our human race through the Name of Jesus. Jesus is not on a second seat next to God as this would violate the Ten Commandments. Jesus was and is the God of Israel and the God of Israel IS THE EXCLUSIVE MESSIAH AND HOLY SPIRIT.
Nobody can sit on the Throne of the God of Israel and be called: FATHER!
Yet, the Pope sits on a fancy throne and is worshiped as ‘Father.’
Catholicism is one of the greatest cults next to Islam in the world today.
The Holy Bible, New International Version. Isa 45:21.
And there is no God apart from me, t a righteous God u and a Savior; v there is none but me.
And have you ever noticed that Catholics talk about ‘Christ’ but never say the Name of Jesus or pray: GOD OF ISRAEL IN JESUS’ NAME?
They never ever say: GOD OF ISRAEL!
As it is clear we are not to call anyone on earth ‘Father,’ Catholics violate this Scripture. And why sing songs in Latin or speak in Latin. A few good words in English would be better, like Bill O’Reilly at Fox News who is the only Roman Catholic I have ever seen on any news station that makes any sense.
I separate Bill O’Reilly the man, from the Roman Catholic Church and would not insult Bill O’Reilly by offending him with what I know to be true and honest – which is that Catholicism, like Islam, is a lie.
So we need to tell all Catholics to put away their pagan sun god wafer, which is communion with Satan, and join Israel’s cause in building the Third Temple on the Temple Mount.
The Pope needs to repent, take off his royal vestments, and remove all Catholic Churches from the Land of Israel as a sign of LOVE and PEACE. LOVE and PEACE can only come from TOLERANCE and Catholics must TOLERATE the belief that on the Land of Israel, Catholicism, like Islam cannot be tolerated. If the Pope wants to promote peace between Palestinians and Israel, then he needs to help Israel by removing Palestine off Israeli soil too!
Yeah, the Catholic Church has a lot of MONEY. Yes, Catholic leaders blessed Hitler when he was in power; Catholic leaders blessed the Italian mafia mobsters; Catholic leaders blessed homosexual priests who molested little children; Catholic leaders all throughout medieval times oppressed the Jewish people and never helped the Jews settle back in the Land of Israel; and today, the Catholic Church is blessing the United Nations while having communion with their pagan sun god worship through the sun god wafer; the Catholic Church is promoting pagan tolerance; pagan unity; pagan peace; pagan love; and aren’t ALL RELIGIONS wonderful!
I’ve got one Latin word for the Pope and I sing: KUM-BAY-YA!
If the Pope seeks forgiveness, let him remove all idols from the soil of Israel and help Israel build the Third Temple on the Temple Mount, while removing all Catholic Churches from Israeli soil!
Throw that golden cup into the garbage, for you are not communing with Jesus Christ – but another Christ in harmony with the Galatians 1 warning.
There is only ONE MESSIAH AND LORD AND FATHER and that is the God of Israel, who alone is Messiah and Father.
Let all Israelis and Jews who are faithful to the cause of the Third Jewish Temple consider that CATHOLICISM has nothing to do with the God of Israel or anything to do with REAL CHRISTIANITY.
I could sit on my toilet and this pearly white porcellian throne would be just as sacred as the pope’s throne. So tell the Catholic Pope to get back into his glass box and go back to Rome! Leave America and Israel alone!
Sure, the Pope can preach LOVE FOR THE POOR in America all he wants and promote the idea that SANCTUARY CITIES for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN AMERICA is part of Catholic compassion, however, where is GOD’S SANCTUARY ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT? Of course illegal immigration is encouraged – the POPE RULES FROM ROME! He could hardly care less about America’s National Security!
Cardinal Mahoney, who was up for the Pope’s seat, kicks the homeless away from his twelve story office building in Los Angeles! Quite contrary to their missions of mercy and love! And just what is the Catholic positions on ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO PRAY ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT AND BUILD THE THIRD TEMPLE? There is none.
Get that Pope Mobile off of the God of Israel’s land and property please and send him right back to Rome where he can continue partaking of his sun god worship, who blesses those who curse Israel.
Vatican on Muslims and Jews
May I remind the Pope that Jesus, Peter, and the disciples were Jews, always Jews and never Christians. Paul was subject to epileptic fits and hallucinations. His letters reflect a compulsion to transform the teachings of Jesus into a Hellenic amalgam of idolatry and vindictivness against any who disagreed with his notions. The few actual words attributed to Jesus have been lost in dogma that is designed to control behavior through fear, not love, through sunservience, not personal responsibility. Wehn would Jesus ever suggest:
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". or quoting St. Paul in describing the crucifixion as a "scandal for the Jews."
Only a Church that preaches discrimination teaches domination.
Religious intolerance
Why should we demand that the Pope deny, by his silence, the beliefs that we all know are an important part of the Catholic faith? Isn't that asking him to be a hypocrite?
Some fellow workers and I, at dinner, were sharing our table with our local Jesuit priest. It happened that we were all Protestant Christians and we were enjoying a friendly and very informative discussion of religious views. We welcomed the opportunity to have some questions answered about the differences between our faith and his. He chose to cut the discussion short with the comment that we were wasting his time because we'd never listened to anything but "that god damned Protestant propaganda".
I submit that he was expressing the true feelings of the Catholic church toward other religions. Why should we expect the Pope or any other Catholic to disingenuously hide their beliefs? If they're sincere and not ashamed of those beliefs, what's wrong with expressing them, and why should others be offended?
Sensitivities to Other Religions
Spell checked - editor please remove my previous entry
Does peaceful co-existence require disingenuous commentary about other religions?
Ostensibly, if I am a Christian and not a Jew, Muslim , or Secularist (and visa versa), am I NOT saying by my choice I am right and they are wrong? Of course I am. You might want to lessen this statement by saying - "No, what you are saying is it is "right" for you." Come on folks - we are not talking about choices in what movies we watch or what clothes we wear - "right for you" makes sense with such trivial matters in the scope of the discussion of truth. On the other hand, religion is about belief in how the world originated, how it will end or will it ever end, the order of things, evil and good; these are not light topics. In a culture that that so embraces choice why are we outraged when statements of disagreement are made? Why aren't we more interested in trying to validate, invalidate, or qualify the statement with what can actually be observed in the world?
Do Muslims and Jews need to also embrace Christianity in such a way as to lose Muslim and Jewish identity as so many secular writers seem to intimate that Christians should embrace Muslims and Jews in a way that loses Christian identity?
I say No. Tolerance in the secular sense should not reduce identity but clarify where we are the same and different. Moreover, it should always be non-violent, not physically intimidating, or involve personal threats. The notion of "fighting words" makes such discourse quite difficult when the natures of the differences are "what they are." To participate, one must be secure enough in their own identity that no diverging idea lessens who they are and creates a personal obligation to retaliate with not only personal and community threats, but ensuing acts of violence.
What I would ask you to consider is why is it culturally accepted in the U.S. and European media (and I submit that it is) that Muslims, Jews and Secularists may publicly disparage Christianity but Christianity is met with "moral outrage" when Christians make what are perceived as disparaging statements of the Muslim, Jewish, and Secularists beliefs?
Are we OK with making religious discourse a peaceful war of ideas and allowing the world audience to vote with their feet? If you are not, then you my friend, are contributing to an intellectual manipulation that is not only disingenuous but fundamentally divisive and absolutely unaffirming of differences and religious freedom.
Sensitivities to Other Religions
Does peaceful co-existance require disenguine commentary about other religions?
Ostensibly, if I am a Christian and not a Jew or Muslim (and visa versa) am I NOT saying by my choice I am right and they are wrong? Of course I am. You might want to lesson this statement by saying - "No, what you are saying is it is "right" for you." Come on folks - we are not talking about choices in what movies we watch or what clothes we wear - "right for you" makes sense with such trivial matters in the scope of the discussion of truth. On the other hand, religion is about belief in how the world originated, how it will end or will it ever end, the order of things, evil and good; these are not light topics. In a culture that that so embraces choice why are we outraged when statements of disagreement are made? Why aren't we more interested in trying to validate or invalidate the statement with what can actually be observed in the world?
Do Muslims and Jews need to also embrace Christiany in such a way as to lose Muslim and Jewish identify as so may secular writers seem to intimate that Christians should embrace Muslims and Jews in a way that loses Christian identity?
I say No. Tolerence in the secular sense should not reduce identify but clarify where we are the same and different. Moreover, it should always be non-violent , not physically intimidating, or involve personal threats. The notion of "fighing words" makes such discourse quite difficult when the nature of the differences are "what they are." To participate, one must be secure enough in their own identity that no diverging idea lessens who they are and creates a personal obligation to retaliate with not only personal and community threats, but ensuing acts of violence.
What I would ask you to consider is why is it culturally accepted in the U.S. and European media (and I submit that it is) that Muslims and Jews and Seculurists may publicly disparage Christianity but Christianity is met with "moral outrage" when Chistians make what are percieved as disparing statements of the Muslim Jewish, and Seculists beliefs?
Are we OK with making religous discourse a peaceful war of ideas and allowing the world audience to vote with their feet? If you are not, then you, my friend, are contributing to an intellectual manipulation that is not only disenguine but fundementally divisive and absolutely unaffirming of dfferences and religous freedom.
