It's Not All in the Family for Some DNC Rules Committee Members
Don and Carole Fowler are married but are on different sides of this debate. One supports Clinton, the other Obama
Reader Comments
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JUST WHOS VOTE WILL BE COUNTED
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WHO STOLE WHAT ELECTION WHAT A JOKE
And this is different from Bush, how???
Over the past seven and a half years we have heard the Dems preach, prattle on, and pounce upon President Bush every time he has tried to go against the law or work around the law to get things done. Now we have the Dems doing exactly the same thing - changing the rules because the result didn't turn out right. Forget the disenfranchisement argument - everybody knew what the outcome was going to be because of the hard headed leaders in Florida and Michigan. There was absolutly no surprise here. But to change the rules in mdostream to suit their own purposes shows that the Dems are no better - probably worse - at being unable to fo9llow the law. If they can't do this right, what gives me great confidence either of the candidates will follow the rule of law when elected?
I might have to agree with Louie of Michigan.
Playing by the rules
The DNC just can't say we are not going to penalize you...or we did penalize you. .but we didn't mean it. Because then you are going have no rules for future elections when States want the ego label of me first
DNC Ruling
The DNC did not do any justice to the process. By stating over and over that the states did not follow the rules and should now be punished by not being allowed to seat there delagates is truly against what the democrats fundamentally stand for. Why are we punishing the people who voted, why are we not asking the parties responsible to resign that would be a more suitable solution count the votes eliminate the rule breakers. Voters were not party to choosing a date and should not be held responsible for this disaster. The entire election was changed by not counting the states earlier it changed the entire momentum of each campaign and the outcome would be very different if we had counted those states when they had voted. Be very careful McCain may be president if the democratic party continues to ignore the votes.
DEAN
DEAN ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND YOU CAN NOT JUST TAKE MY VOTE AWAY FROM HILLARY AND GIVE IT TO OBAMA..........YOU ARE NUTS......AND I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT MCCAIN HAS MY VOTE THANKS TO YOU
HAROLD ICKES
HAROLD ICKES YOU DID THE RIGHT THING, THEY STOLE DELIGATES FROM HILLARY, SHE SHOULD SUE... THEY HAVE PUNCHED HER KNOCKED HER DOWN, BEAT HER UP, STAMP HER OUT, CALLED HER NAMES, BEEN CRUEL TO HER.. SHE IS A TOUGH GAL AND A FIGHTER
TELL HER NOT TO GIVE UP
I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THEY TOOK VOTES AND GAVE THEM TO OBAMA, IF HE WERE ANY KIND OF A MAN HE WOULD NOT HAVE LET THAT HAPPEN
NOW YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEM. COM. THINKS OF MICHIGAN.
OUR VOTES DON'T COUNT......I VOTED FOR HILLARY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT DEAN GRABED MY VOTE AND GAVE IT TO SOME ONE I DIDN'T WANT.
SO COME NOV. IF IT ISN'T HILLARY IT WILL BE MCCAIN.........I WILL NOT CHANGE.......
Dnc Rules Cmt. Hearings
While I was pleased to see democracy at work I knew that regraudless of the outcome one side was going to leave with unpleasant feeling. As a Democract
I was not pleased with the way some acted. If the rule said no primary before feb.5th, then "all states" should have abided by that rule. If the penulty was that those primaries would not count, then that's the rule. Just because you are losing or trailing in votes , you can't come back and say we want those votes to count that did not count in the first place. And to every Clinton supporter, when you get a chance look at how you acted, what was more important unity or getting what "you" wanted.
Every Vote Should Count
FL Decision
An amendment proposed in both houses of the FL state legislature to move the day of the FL primary to comply with the primary schedule was defeated by Republican dominated houses. The Democrats could not get the primary moved to an approved date. The Democratic voters are penalized. This makes no sense. An appeal to the Credentials Committee should be valid based on the fact that the Democrats tried to get the date changed and were outvoted by Republicans. How can a Republican decision be used to penalize Democratic voters? Oh wait – that has happened before in FL.
Osmond’s petition and his explanation clearly showed that the super delegates should have full voting rights according to the DNC’s rules. I would definitely appeal that to the Credentials Committee.
Florida’s delegates should be seated with full voting rights. Voting rights are one of the fundamental rights of a member of a deliberative assembly.
Wexler – now there was a guy that did not want to answer the hard questions directly. I have news for the Rules Committee – your job is not to appease the candidates. It is to ensure the fair accounting and representation of the voters in each state.
MI Decision
Brewer’s compromise solution was and still is a farce. Since when are exit polls and ‘we going to make up our own rule about how to deal with write-ins’ used to determine delegates?
Brewer’s arguments do not hold any validity. If they were valid they would be valid if the MI primary was held on an acceptable date. Can you imagine the uproar that would occur if the DNC went back to all of the primaries and applied Brewer-ism rules to the results? “I’m sorry – our exit polls show that your vote really went toward another candidate.” A voter would slap the DNC across the face and say “The hell it did. I voted and that vote goes toward my candidate.”
The only sensible solution to MI would be to give Clinton the delegates she won and place the other delegates as the ‘uncommitted’ type. The voters of MI do realize that some candidates removed their names only to make themselves ‘look better’ in the eyes of IA and NH voters. Voters know when politicians ‘curry favor’.
DNC Rules Committee
I am greatly disappointed with most of what I saw on May 31, 2008.
The committee should have realized that Democratic unity would best be achieved by counting everyone’s vote equally – not this middle of the road compromise. It would be better to give full voting power to delegates from FL and MI and then if one candidate wins or loses – no one can complain about it. No – instead the committee takes delegates from one candidate and gives them to another candidate. What a tainted victory that would be. It would be equivalent to giving pitchers 4 strikes per out when everyone else has 3 strikes per out.
By far and away, the most disappointing actions by the committee were the motions entertained. First off, you should have been proposing a motion to amend or rescind something previously adopted. Secondly, the FL motions were essentially the same motion at the same meeting. This too is against RONR.
The most amateurish conduct by the chairs was when each of them ‘called for abstentions’. Abstaining means not to vote. You do not vote ‘abstention. When I saw that I thought your parliamentarian was an idiot. But at least he did make the chair call for no votes.
As far as the unruly crowd went, the chair can demand for the removal of non-members that are disturbing the meeting. This was not done. The non-members have no right to interfere with the conduct of business.
Turncoat Dumbocrats!
To all of you Morons who threaten to vote Republican in November, I say don't bother ! I would hate to see the quality of Republicans diluted by the trash Clinton supporters I saw during yesterdays meeting......
What a bunch of losers!









