Report Finds Race-based Gap in College Grad Rates
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get real
I am an MBA student who currently sets the curve in every test in every class at the private catholic all-white school I attend. Oh, and I'm black!!!! That said, I don't think that it's ignorance holding back many black students. In my opinion, many black people don't have the background to make it at most colleges. For a majority of them, their parents are not college educated and they come from less than stellar schools. These kids need programs like CARE to help them become acclamated to the demands of college.
Second:
Is America racist? Of course America is racist!!!
What kills me, however, are the people who forget how the past affects the future. Generations of white people with money who help their kids get into the best schools and have the best lives even though their kids are as dumb as a box of rocks. It also kills me that people believe themselves to be above racism. If you walk into a room full of strangers, you more than likely will be drawn to the person who looks the most like you. The search for commonality is not wrong but it is one of the reasons most minorities get the short end of the stick. Why do you think 98% of all CEOs and bigwigs are white males? Do you really think that white males are so much more superior than other people. Look at people like George Bush. He's not the brightest, probably barely passed school. And yet he went to an ivy league school and is president while a black, hispanic or asian man who graduated college with a 4.0 gpa is struggling to afford gas at $3.50+ a gallon.
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i agree with you SR
my ad hominem: cutie
i dont think america is that prejudiced at all. It's just so expected that it is and people make it this way through this expectation to the point where we try to take affirmative action too seriously and others not seriously enough.....maybe ill explain my thoughts better later when i feel like it
but im eating an orange right now so maybe i wont...
racial dialogue
alright...honestly, i find this very unusual. the posts i have just read have caused me to become disillusioned. i'm surprised at how prejudiced america still is. it's not that i'm against this educational talk against or for racism but i see too many ad hominems in this debate.
Arthur, I'm disapointed in you
You're letting your color show through again. It's actually you who validate my entire point. How hilarious was your non response?
"Truth, It appears that you were educated ( I am being charitable) in the Nevada school system where most of the kids did not know when the civil war was fought and ninety- eight percent flunked the math test . Thanks for validating my point !"
Are you related to Miss Cleo? Because I now live in Nevada I guess you assume I go to high school and don't know when the Civil War was fought? You amaze me the more you speak. Sorry but I didn't go to school here and I do know when the Civil War was fought. Does this have anything to do with anything?
Maybe you and your people should be a little more thankful to me and my ancestors for our loses in the Civil War. We lost more people (white people) than both world wars combined and this was done partially to free the slaves. I think we have repayed you for slavery. And did you know that the total amount of all blacks that were lynched is far surpased every year by black on white murders? Hmm you probably don't but will beg forever for reparations.
Maybe you should take a debate class and learn that only stupid people respond with a non sequitur.
Aurthur
Arty, are you infering that to be educated is to hold a particular perspective? Does it mean that we must grasp this perspective regardless of what reality might imply or even prove otherwise? What variables must we acknowledge now? Why must we acknowledge every other truth except this? Are you the new and educated flat earthers of today?
The simple truth is that slavery existed far before Europeans had come into contact with Africans. Why are the Europeans who purchased slaves from black Africans any more duplicitous than those who sold them? Where were the technological advancements then, now, and who will represent a great advancement forward at least to a modicum of civility in Africa in the future? Actually the countries colonized were much better off following than prior to European contact in terms of societal evolution, it's just that they could not continue the process even after many had been trained to do so. It's a saddening shame really but also a costly shame.
The problem for Arty is that in every town, city, county, state, province, country, and continent of this world there is no parity between the races. The difference between the terms bigot, prejudice, racism are small but profound. What happens when sciencetific truths become the new racist literature? What happens when there's no place left to run from the reality of these truths?
I would love to speak with someone like you beyond forums such as these but there can be no conversation due to the implicit stigma associated with such dialogue.
Reality?
Rather than having a virtual temper-tantrum, Arthur, do have any facts or even rational comments to dispute what "The Truth" (or I) have written?
The blinders have come off all but the most hard-core liberals regarding why Affirmative Action is not working. It isn't racism but a a sense of entitlement which has crippled minority students and young job seekers.
No one promises whites or Asians success in life because of their skin color - but blacks are given the illusion that they are going to do great things with half the effort. If you want to blame someone - blame the politicians, professors, media editors, and black mouthpieces (like Sharpton) who will do anything but face reality: they have constantly promoted this illusion and will do ANYTHING to avoid discussing the truth.
No matter how much money or time is poured into educating minority students, nothing will change unless the parents of these kids step-up and act like REAL parents. This means taking responsibility for one's own life choices and not blaming every bad outcome on "racism" or "whitey".
We don't have to look forward to "rot in hell" as you so kindly wished us - most of us are already in one created by braying liberals who are shoving forced "diversity" down our throats.
You people are racist idiots! It was illegal in every American state to educate a black person from 1620 t0 1865. After 1865 until the1970 's, separate and unequal was the law of the land. Since 1970 , anti- busing, and housing segregation has prevailed in every community for blacks. They live in ghettos, have the worse schools, teachers, and get screwed on a daily basis. The jews , asians , european immigrants come from educated families and are allowed to live in the best neighborhoods and attend the best schools in the country. That coupled with fanatic parents who understand education and know their kids will not be discriminated against makes them successful. I hope every one of you racist pigs get your just desserts- rot in hell!
Affirmative Action Back-fires
When colleges lower their admission standards in order to get more minorities, they aren't doing these groups a favor. Instead, these students find themselves in a much more difficult situation than their non-affirmative action counterparts.
If a minority student is doing second tier work but is accepted into a first tier university to fill a quota, is it any surprise that this student might not graduate?
It is time to do away with affirmative action and quota systems based on race. Let all students attend colleges that can provide a good education for them based on their abilities and scholastic history.
Race-based gap
It takes a village? Don't you mean it takes a student and a family?
Why is that people expect the government to improve their lives in areas that are a matter of personal responsibility?
Also, the socio economic argument is a straw man because history has shown that groups can work out of poverty quite easily through hard work, strong family backing, and education e.g. Chinese, Jews, Italians and just about every other group that has actively emigrated here.
Don't blame the man, blame the student and the family.
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